Liam Photography Podcast: Episode 8 – Interview with Professional Model ElleyCat

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Interview with professional freelance model ElleyCat from Arizona. Elley specializes in Fashion, Boudoir and Artistic work. You can check her work out at the following links.

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Liam Douglas: 00:00:12 welcome to the Leon photography podcast. I’m your host, Liam Douglas and this is episode eight. I want to thank all of my listeners for subscribing, rating and reviewing this podcast and iTunes in any other podcatchers you might be using. I am really excited. Today is, this is my first podcast interview and we have with us on the phone today, the talented Miss Ellie cat who is a professional model in Arizona. Ellie specializes in fashion, booed voir and artistic work and I had been following her for some time now on Instagram. As I mentioned in the first episode of this podcast, I planned and I don’t like talk about cameras, lenses and photography tips and techniques, but also do interviews with industry professionals such as Ellie. And I want to thank her for being my first guest today.

Liam Douglas: 00:01:00 Okay,

Liam Douglas: 00:01:01 so Ellie, how are you doing?

ElleyCat: 00:01:03 I’m doing well. How are you?

Liam Douglas: 00:01:05 Not too bad. I again, I want to a pre a thank you for, for me and my first interviewee on my podcast.

ElleyCat: 00:01:12 You’re welcome.

Liam Douglas: 00:01:14 So, uh, what are the first things I wanted to ask you is how long have you been working as a model and is it something that you always knew that you wanted to do?

Liam Douglas: 00:01:23 Okay.

ElleyCat: 00:01:24 Oh, well that’s a complicated question. And kind of in two parts. And the length of time would probably be a total of over five years. But it had a, a brief set where I didn’t do any modeling because I went to college and I couldn’t find the time or the power or strength to actually keep doing both of them. And as far as something I always wanted to do, I definitely say it’s in that round I had,

Liam Douglas: 00:01:55 okay,

ElleyCat: 00:01:56 I, as a little girl, I always look at these catalogs are people in photographs and I thought, Ooh, I want to be on someone’s wall or I’d love to be in a magazine or I want to be wearing the clothes that somebody is wearing and doing something pretty in front of a camera. And I didn’t know exactly what that entailed or how far is the work was to get there. But I’d definitely say it was something that I had always dreamed about.

Liam Douglas: 00:02:19 Well that’s definitely cool and I can understand that not being able to make time for it is you’re going to college chef. I’ve gone to college a few times myself, so it can definitely be rough balancing everything at once. So I can definitely, definitely understand that. So are you generally for hire with any photographers in, in your home state area? Or do you only work with specific photographers that you collaborate with on a regular basis?

Liam Douglas: 00:02:43 Okay.

ElleyCat: 00:02:44 Both actually I collaborate with a handful of photographers that really loved working with me or we’ll hire me for specific projects or we do a lot of collaboration work. If one of them wants to try something new or just they like to, I say the word use loosely, but they like to use me for projects because I’m, uh, I’ve been told I’m a lot of fun and I’m an easy entertainment down on my head and do this sort of thing or, you know, just something extreme. And then on the flip side, um, I have, you know, open dates throughout the different months at that, you know, people can hire me for new work or if they’ve never worked with me before and I’m just starting to travel to different areas. So this year specifically I’ve been contacting a couple of photographers in California and in Florida, two completely different parts of the United States, but so far I have a, uh, I think for photographers in Florida that would like to work with me and giant handful in California that would love for me to travel out to the La, San Francisco and San Diego areas. So kind of spread apart but kind of an all spectrum of them. And I’m, I’m pretty much booked out I think three months in advance. And that’s just my schedule’s kind of crazy cause I’m not a full time model. I only model on the weekend and some longer weekend that include weekdays. So my schedule gets pretty hectic with everything.

Liam Douglas: 00:04:21 Oh, I can imagine. Yeah. I remember I had asked you on, on Instagram, if you do travel for sheets at all and, and you said it at the time you’re not, but uh, but that’s great to hear that you’re thinking about doing that as well, especially if you’re, you know, fairly high in demand. That’s a great thing.

ElleyCat: 00:04:39 I’m pretty much, I mean, I guess in the Arizona area there’s not too many people that don’t know who I am, which is a great thing. Right? And some people are like, yeah, you know, your, your Arizona famous and I, and I’m using air quotes, right? I was like, yeah, you’re getting, and they’re like, no, really. Like everybody in Arizona one’s work with you. I was like, really? This is legit cause that sounds like a joke. And they’re like, no, no. It’s exciting for me. And it’s, it’s a great amount of fun and I’m so incredibly grateful for that and it’s an awesome opportunity. So I was like, I should try to branch out. Let’s see where else I can go where other people haven’t seen me or work with me. But they know my work because I’ve reached out to them and they like what I could do. So we’re going to see what happens.

Liam Douglas: 00:05:27 Definitely. Sounds like it’d be a lot of fun and a lot of, a lot of opportunity for you to really expand your career as a model. Absolutely. Oh yeah. Now, as a matter of fact, um, for the Friday of this week, I actually had my first opportunity to work with a professional model. Um, she’s another model that I’m in touch with on Instagram and Facebook and she travels all the time for shoots, um, to different cities and states. And I’m not, uh, I’m not really big as a portrait photographer. Um, what years ago, back back many moons ago, and now I’m giving away my, the fact that I’m ancient. Um, I used to do a children’s portraits for Kmart back when retail stores actually had stu a, while they didn’t have studios in those days, they do now and, and they hire what I basically call shutter monkeys. Not Somebody that actually knows how to take a photo and how to pose people, but somebody that just knows how to push the button.

Liam Douglas: 00:06:21 Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And back when I did it in the mid nineties, I was on a team of seven and we traveled from Maine, uh, back and forth, up and down the east coast from Florida and Maine. And we did the children’s portraits for all of the Kmarts on the east coast. So that was a lot of fun. And I really enjoyed that because I loved working with kids. I’ve always, always had a, a knack with children, especially young children. And probably because I do a lot of silly voices and stuff like that, so it’s easy for me to entertain them. Um, but as a photographer I have a harder time with adults. Um, I’m more shy with, uh, with grownups and, and especially what models. So it’s harder. And I, I have, I don’t have the knack for giving models, you know, direction as far as, you know, how I want them to pose and stuff like that.

Liam Douglas: 00:07:13 So when not when I learned about this other model and I reached out to her and found out that she does travel to other cities, you know, all kinds of different cities and states. She’s based out of Colorado and I thought I definitely need to book some time with her the next time she comes to Atlanta because I could get a better experience because I could work with somebody who’s a professional model and already has a good idea of, you know, the poses and looks that most all photographers want. So I worked with, I worked with her this past Friday, um, and it was a great experience. I got some amazing photos of her and it was just easier for me because I only had to give her basic directions like, okay, let’s, let’s go over here and, and have you stand in front of these windows so I can use some of the natural light behind you and stuff like that. But she knew how to do all of her own posing and you don’t be, and she’s been doing it for awhile, like you have. It all came natural to her. So I didn’t have to worry about, you know, that much direction as far as how she posed herself. So that made it a lot easier for myself.

ElleyCat: 00:08:16 Yeah, that’s awesome. That’s to work with someone like that. I can’t wait to see what you post. And I guess a lot of the stuff that you’ve been saying kind of hits home, you know, you talking about the shutter monkeys as you call him. Well what we call them as models, um, like say wear to an event and there’s always just that person that’s lurking did like, we know they know how to click the camera and point it, but we call them Gwc or guys with cameras and they’re just that person that shows up like with their cell phone going, you’re like, oh really? You don’t want to break their heart, but you, you don’t know exactly what to say. So I feel you. But, uh, on the, on the flip side of that, that’s going back to more uh, professionalism and in modeling for the model part, uh, having this season’s model for a photographer I’ve been told many times is, you know, uh, I guess I’m losing my words that is working with a dream they’ve said or is, you know, it’s simple and you make their job easy.

ElleyCat: 00:09:28 And I worked with a couple of people today from there, from Napa Valley area or excusing Napa Valley area and they said, wow, you’re such an easy shoot. I’m like, well thanks. And you’re like, well no, you, you can read our minds. It’s like, you know, they, they give you a basic direction and that’s one thing was becoming a seasoned model is, and no matter what kind of situation you’re in or what you’re wearing or the lights or the people or what’s going on, you bring that level of professionalism where whoever you’re shooting with is going to be extremely happy they hired you because you know how to pose, you know, what to do to give you very basic direction. But I would have to say hands down. One of the things I love the most about a photo shoot is the photographer asking me, Hey, can you do this? And they’re showing you what they want you to do. Whether they’re curving are very correctly. They’re laying on the floor or their legs. So many times I wished that I could get that or the level of humor in it. Breaking two through eight.

Liam Douglas: 00:10:39 I can imagine, you know when it’s like I was saying a moment ago, it’s not that I’m trying to be mean to the people that you don’t work in the little six studios and like Walmart or a store may be okay. When I refer, I refer to them as shutter monkeys. Precisely because when I did it and traveled, I had to know how to set up my own studio. I had to know how to position my lights. I had to know how to actually operate the camera and it, yeah. And if you know anything about these little fixed studios they have now, the reason why I call him shutter monkeys is because there, it’s either a studio company that was started by somebody who was a professional photographer years ago and it’s like they came up with their own little cookie cutter format for how to do portraits. So yeah. And if you look, they, I swear to God, you go into these little studios and they have like duct tape x’s on the carpet that they use. Yes. And it’s like, okay, put one, one model light here, but the other one here, the camera goes on this third acts and you set the person in this chair or on this bench or whatever, and you push the button. That’s why I call him for monkeys,

ElleyCat: 00:11:47 probably colored coded to just to make sure they don’t get it wrong. Oh yeah, absolutely.

Liam Douglas: 00:11:55 And back in the day when I, when I did it, you know, you had to know how to do everything yourself. You had to know how to meet her for the lighting and you had to know how to configure the camera, you know what aperture was going to give you the best depth of field, you know, when all of that stuff. And I used, I mean I don’t even know what they use these days cause I haven’t been to any of those, um, any of the fixed retail photography studios. But back when I did it, I had a real 35 millimeter and of course I was stolen the days of film cameras and the camera, the camera that I had actually had a cartridge that attached to the back of it. They held the film and each, each cartridge was like 555 shots. But you had to know how to set up everything yourself. We didn’t have any marks on the floor or any of that stuff. So, you know, it was a lot more work in those days and you know, and meet, we made good money doing it too.

ElleyCat: 00:12:46 Yeah. And it was super, I mean I worked with a couple of photographers now that have gone back to just using film for kind of that just a historical, that kind of grainy nature that it brings and the work that they have to do. I mean they have all of, most of the developing stuff at their house. Some of it they have to send off depending on what size they want or whatnot, but most of them can develop the negatives on to scam them in to a program now and look at all of their, their work and instill digitally clean up the negative. But um, can weaver does a great job. And so there’s Jim Baker out here in Arizona of both using, you know, a platform. I honestly couldn’t even remember the names of the cameras they use because to me they’re just ancient old.

ElleyCat: 00:13:39 I mean I as a kid I had like one of those little, uh, what were they? They were like those really thin like two by six inches long by like half an inch thick where the role was like this little miniature thing. Can, I remember getting that when I was a kid and my mom, you go have fun like the grass and my feet and you know the upside of my nose cause I didn’t know what I was doing but feel from learning it cameras baby watching people now when the digital era is just huge, right? That’s all anybody uses. Use actual film cameras and they’re like, yeah, we just use this back when when you were like still in diapers and that was all we had to use. The effort that goes into knowing all of those settings blows my mind. Oh yeah. I mean so for someone that was traveling around like you to do that for all of those things, you had to know exactly what you are doing because I can only imagine the amount of money you were out if you mess up a roll of film at that time. Oh yeah. That kind of, that was, that would have been terrible. It’s not like a Oh, an SD card. I can hold a thousand photos. Not a problem. It was like, I have to get this done in a certain amount of time with a certain amount of photos and have them come out good to the people would pay you for it. That’s just, that’s amazing.

Liam Douglas: 00:14:55 Yup. Absolutely. And uh, I’m actually friends with Tim Weaver. He’s a great guy and I still collect old film cameras. I don’t shoot film anymore. Um, a lot of my friends still do. Some of my professors from the college where I got my bachelor’s degree, still loved to shoot film and they use digital as well. Um, but I posted some photos of some of my old film cameras that are in my collection in terms like it, he’s like, if you’re not going to use those, send them to me. I’ll put film in them. Oh my God. You know. And that’s how I started out. I took photography in high school back in the 80s and you know, it was all, you know, film and you had to develop the film. We learned how to develop the film and we did it dot. My high school. We had our own dark room and all of that stuff. But digital is spoiled me and I have all these film cameras and pretty much all of them still work. But it’s like I don’t want to go through that hassle anymore. And I definitely, I definitely don’t want to have my own dark room here at the house and have to buy all the noxious chemicals and all that stuff. But a lot of my friends that, that dabble it are, they still shoot film as well as digital. They really love it. They absolutely love it.

ElleyCat: 00:16:07 It does give a different historical work. I mean, going digital and watching everything that people do with that. I mean, I don’t, I can’t say that I know a lot about the cameras themselves. Right. I, uh, one point in time I was like, okay, we’re going to get a camera from Costco. And so I got one of those hold kids to the Canon. It wasn’t a bad camera. And I was like, and like three people from work. Oh God. It’s all, I did it anyway. And then a couple of people were like, Hey, my son just graduated from high school. You take their photos. I’m like, sure. And so I was like, wow, this is actually interesting that I can do so much more with someone who, you know, it’s just a teenager. You’re like, hey, we’re coming to the sunshine and do this with like sunflowers.

ElleyCat: 00:16:56 And then I got into like looking at different things as myself. And so I started taking pictures of like trees and my animals and stuff like that, but never really took it to a point where I’m like, Hey, I’m gonna take pictures of all these people because I took my camera work, take a picture of my friend and her bridesmaids dress for a wedding, and the bride wanted me to shoot her her entire wedding. I’m like, hey dude, I’m, I’m not a photographer. You’re, you’ve got the wrong person. They’re like, well no, I photographer can’t make it. I’m like, why? It’s because the weather’s not bad. You’re like, oh, they’re stuck somewhere. Like all you’re going to so regret this. So like I took pictures of everything for her and I was just like, I don’t know what to do and I’m, here you go. When I go to this giant 400 photos. Right. And she’s, I was like, wow, what can back at that, which I’m not going to say how long ago it was and to now the amount of effort that goes into wedding photography, she didn’t get shit for photos and I felt so bad for her to like capture that moment. So I took her pictures and I kind of save the day in a really horrific way. I would never do that again.

Liam Douglas: 00:18:05 I got never the person to show up.

ElleyCat: 00:18:07 Well the camera, the things that I knew what I was doing because I had no clue. No idea.

Liam Douglas: 00:18:12 Yup. I can understand that. I mean, I know what I’m doing with the camera and I avoid like, ah, nothing to do with weddings is too much stress, too many headaches and I don’t want to deal with brides. Zyl is all the time and stuff like that. I, you know, and I can understand that because you know, if you screw up somebody’s wedding photos, you’ve ruined everything.

ElleyCat: 00:18:33 Yeah. She was, the sad part was I worked with the girl that I was going to go take a photo of the bride, uh, happened to be my bar at the time. And so not only did I have to hear about it from her bridesmaids, I had to hear about it from her until I had put in my two weeks to that job. Everything about the photos, I’m like, dude, you didn’t hire a photographer to take a picture. And so if anything was bad or, or if I didn’t have or something, I’m like, I didn’t know when I was doing, I mean, I was a teenager, I was working at dairy queen and that was it. I mean, that was, that was the thing. And I’m like, oh, I lived with it and I moved on and I would never choose it.

Liam Douglas: 00:19:22 All right. I can definitely feel your pain on that one. Yeah. Like I think I’ve done weddings for a couple of friends and family members, but that’s it. I definitely want to do it for a living. Oh, not me. And I know have a lot of respect and I know there’s a lot of money to be made and wedding photography, but it’s just not my thing. Yeah. We just to stay away from that mess. So let me ask you, the next question I had is do you work, I’m just strictly freelance. Um, is an independent contractor or do you also work through a modeling agency?

ElleyCat: 00:19:57 I’m strictly freelance. I, when I first got into modeling, I had thought that I was like, oh, I’m going to go get this agent and I’m going to have him work on my portfolio. And it, I think I was 16, I’m like, hey mom, take me to this place. And they’re like, Oh wow, you’re going to regret this. Which I did. Um, this person who I think her, the owner of that company, her name was Teresa, I don’t remember her last name. She was the worst person in the world. Oh my gosh. This woman was mean and on level of evil, evil that I couldn’t even, you know, recreate of just how she treated the people that were there. And I was there for like a couple months. I’m like, yeah, peace out. See you later. And you guys are terrible. And yeah, so I was like, I kind of have a slight aversion to any form of agency, although I would love to have an agent like manage things like that.

ElleyCat: 00:20:56 At the freelance portion of it. It gets really rough because you asked to manage your personal calendar and your work calendar and then you’re modeling calendar separately. You have to find time cause I’m not a fulltime model. I like I was saying before, I have, I’m actually a professional geologist and so I, I worked for a mine, it’s a very taxing job. I work over 40 hours a week just at my normal job and then all of the spare time and the work that people can see for me come from my three day weekends essentially. And I’m, I think this week, uh, you know, although a lot of funny stories happened, I think I shot three, I shot three photo shoots this weekend. Wow. And so it, you know, it gets the managing that becomes very difficult. And so, you know, you have to manage what your rates are, how you get paid, know what you signed, what people are using the photos for. It’s a, it’s a whole nother fulltime job. I would have to say. It’s, so I am again, to answer your question, I work with everything.

Liam Douglas: 00:22:09 Well that’s great though. Um, and yeah, I mean I know a lot of the models that I follow on social media are freelancers like yourself. So I was like, I don’t know, maybe the, you know, the agencies have gotten a bit of a bad reputation as far as how they treat the models are, I don’t know. But I, you know, most all of my, no one on social media are all freelance like you are. Okay.

ElleyCat: 00:22:30 Exactly. And, and I would say that the molar, and not to diminish any form of a smaller company, I mean, you know, my parents have their own small company. I’m not, I’m all for that. But the smaller agencies I’ve noticed they want to nickel and dime models and that’s not a true agency. Right? Um, a true agency will take a model in and they will develop them in a way that they see that their look, it’s going to go into the industry. And so they’ll help them get the right photographers, you know, they’ll set up their test shoots, they’ll give them their model cards, they can hand out to people, they’ll set up a portfolio. And all of this comes at the expense of the agency hoping to make money off the model. And those are bigger modeling agencies. Unfortunately, the smaller ones, I think they’re going to make money off of the was initially.

ElleyCat: 00:23:20 So they take them in and they’re like, oh, you’re going to do all these great things. But first you’re going to go through this class and you’re going to pay this person and then you’re going to hire this photographer and they’re going to get you these photos so that we can blow them up and put them in a portfolio and make your model card. Oh, but wait, you’ve got to pay for all this beforehand and you do all of that before actually making money. I’ve almost pulled into some of those schemes, but I’m like, it doesn’t seem reasonable or right because you have to invest money to make money, right? Yeah. And if, if the agency wants plenty off of you, they need to invest money in you because you are their investments and I feel like, oh yeah. A lot of those places have it very wrong where they want to make money off you right away in case they don’t make money off you, which in turn is saying, hey, I don’t believe that you have either as a gift or talent or the look that I’m looking for to go and make my agency money.

ElleyCat: 00:24:19 So I’m going to get money from you first. And then if you make it, you do. If you don’t, I’m sorry. If you don’t make it then oh well yeah, but they made it to off you and exactly. And then I don’t feel it’s right. So at least freelance. I’m like, I probably have an oversized closet. I mean I have an entire bedroom kid you not, that is my closet that I had to go to home depot and file the shelves, put everything up and granted if you don’t put it in the stretch, right, it all falls off the wall. So that was fun.

Liam Douglas: 00:24:51 Okay.

ElleyCat: 00:24:52 Yeah. But I mean I have to pull from my own model closet from people are like, oh I want to do this work or I want to do this and I want to do that. I’m like, wow, what do I have that I can just pull out and go do this look cause more than I’d say 85% of the time, the people that you’re going to shoot for it, they don’t have the close necessarily to, you know, give you the, to do these looks and lessons for a company that’s providing the clothes of course. Yeah, exactly. You, you got to pull from, you know what you have. So me and the goodwill, we are best friends.

Liam Douglas: 00:25:26 Yeah. And then they’re like, and when you get him with like a, a larger modeling agency, of course they either have the wardrobe or they have the relationships with the fashion designers so they can borrow the wardrobes that they need for shoots and, and all of that stuff. You know, they have all that networking already in place. So, but yeah, I can imagine as a freelancer you probably have to own a lot of your own, your own, uh, uh, clothing and accessories and stuff like that and for various shoots. So yeah, that’s, yeah, you do.

ElleyCat: 00:25:56 Yeah. And you have to make sure you don’t duplicate things too many times. Or if you do, you gotta make it look different from the last person because you know, and I understand this, but people will get a little bit hurt if you’re like, oh, you know what? I think I’ve seen you shoot in this, the sower. So when you’re like, oh crap. So far I haven’t had that happen. Yes. Geyser of clothes. So I’m like, yes. Because most people have said, hey, you don’t duplicate your looks very often. I’m like, oh, thank God they don’t know.

Liam Douglas: 00:26:26 And I think maybe that might be easier because you’re a woman like me, I would have no idea how to mix up my clothes so that I could look different every time. If I was working as a model, I’d be lost. I’d be lost. I’d have to have a tractor trailer full of clothes. Yeah.

ElleyCat: 00:26:44 And then you’d have to have somebody tell you what Matt.

Liam Douglas: 00:26:46 Yeah, exactly. That’d be totally lost me. I’m just, most of the time I wear what I call my John seen his shorts and a tee shirt. And that’s what I, that’s how I go.

ElleyCat: 00:26:57 That’s great.

Liam Douglas: 00:26:59 Oh goodness. So let me ask you, cause you were talking about it a moment ago. Um, so what are some of your favorite themed shoots that you’ve done and why were they your favorites?

ElleyCat: 00:27:08 Oh, cool question. I would have to say, I’ve done a lot of work this past year with Dave Kelly and James Azur and, uh, with James, he asked me, he’s like, I’ll be all going to culinary to shoot. We need to shoot at this time and blah, blah, blah. And I was like, um, I’d love to do something with a parachute. And so he thought I meant parachute skirt, right? An actual pair of shoes. It’s been dyed and turned into a dress. I’m at like the actual hanging from a parachute sort of let’s get it up in the air and told this to him. Uh, he likes, sent me a bunch of links to finding pair of shoes on Ebay or, you know, whatever else. Why does it come up and like, you know, buy one cause who’s going to just have a old army purse you’re hanging out?

ElleyCat: 00:28:04 He’s like, Hey, I heard about this thing. Someone posted it on Youtube, but they went and found this old abandoned airfield not too far from you. All right, cool. I’ll figure this out. So when I write a lot, my boyfriend, I was like, Hey, let’s go find that quietly after trust passing and going through a field that was slightly questionable. Barb wire, we found this old abandoned army airfield. Oh cool. And it had this giant hanger and a runway that was completely clear. And in Arizona that’s a huge thing is the cactus, right? It’s snacks, everything. There was no cactus anywhere and it was so exciting. So I have on my little army skirt and my booth and I am, you know, trying to catch air with the parachute and that doesn’t go so well. So we just happened to have beautiful clouds in the sky, you know, that perfect glue to cloud like ratio, but no air at all. No wind period. The end. So I had a dead pair of shoes, so I had to run up and down, no runway to grab the air and the parachute. I was exhausted

Liam Douglas: 00:29:07 by the end. Yes. I can imagine.

ElleyCat: 00:29:11 I did get air, the pursuit, it was like a leap me up in the air so I’d have to like hold onto it so I wasn’t of the pictures came out. Awesome. And um, actually from that shoot we ended up getting three different publications from three different looks that we did, including the parachute. So that was awesome.

Liam Douglas: 00:29:29 Oh cool.

ElleyCat: 00:29:31 Yeah, I mean we got ran off the property. We were chased by this old rancher on a bicycle. It was hilarious. I mean the entire experience was definitely unforgettable.

Liam Douglas: 00:29:46 So what was the, this old airfield was on his property or he had bought?

ElleyCat: 00:29:51 No, no, it was, it was landlocked. Basically it, it was in the middle of a bunch of ranchers. Oh. And so the only way to get to it, at least it will know about or could figure out in every direction possible, was to cut through a field which had an open date. There was no trespassing sign, there was no anything. So we just drove through this open gate and we’re like, hey it this way. And they kind of drove along with them and eventually it turned out pretty cool, the photos there. But man, that rancher was pissed off

Liam Douglas: 00:30:29 and I don’t even know why. Must be with his deal. You crossed?

ElleyCat: 00:30:34 Oh yeah. Oh for sure. He, he was flipping as a burden and Kwanza sleep real good. So we, we have,

Liam Douglas: 00:30:41 oh goodness. Oh my God. Well I am, I work on a personal project. I called forgotten pieces of Georgia and my goal is to document all 159 counties in the state, you know, and I’m shooting primarily abandoned small business buildings, you know, that are sitting empty for decades or whatever the case may be. And they’re awesome. Yup. Thank you. And uh, I’m not a, I’m one of those guys when it comes to my photography. I’m not afraid to sneak into a place, even when there’s no trespassing signs, just to, just to get the shot that I want and now

ElleyCat: 00:31:18 no trespassing.

Liam Douglas: 00:31:19 Yeah, I mean, it’s not like I’m there to, you know, set the building on fire or something. I just want to get my shot and you know, and I think the building looks cool. So you know, I do what I gotta do and sometimes I go a little bit overboard for my photography. Like, um, think it was like three years ago in April, I hadn’t bought a drone yet. And my girlfriend and I and some other folks in our photography club, we went to this old railroad trestle in Covington, Georgia. And we were taking photographs walking around the area. Well the trestle sits up in the air. It was like a 900 foot embankment to get up to where the actual Trussell was at. And I was like, man, I really want a shot from the top of the trestle. Cause the had to, like you were saying a moment ago, the perfect blue sky to white fluffy cloud ratio was a beautiful sunny day. And I’m like, I’ve got to get a shot from the top, you know, shooting from the bottom. It’s just not going to do it. So I said her, I said, the heck with it. I’m going to climb the embankment, get my shot and come back down. Well, yeah, it didn’t all go as planned. So I claimed the embankment, got my shot, the shot turned out amazing. And as I was coming back down, I got about a third of the way down, lost my footing and fell the other 600 feet and fractured my shoulder.

Liam Douglas: 00:32:35 Yeah. So I fractured my shoulder and banged my camera and lens up a bit. Um, I had insurance on the equipment of course. So I sent those facets, a camera, the Canon and had them replaced the body panels that got all buggered up and replace the lcds and stuff for me. And I was afraid I was going to have to have surgery because my doctor had thought I, I had done it rotator cuff injury and they were going to have to operate. But luckily when they, when they did the Mris and stuff, they’re like, no, you just fractured it. So you were really lucky this time. But, uh, yeah, I mean when it comes to my photography, I’ll do all kinds of crazy things to get the shot that I want.

ElleyCat: 00:33:11 Oh Man. I, I can say I guess as a model to do crazy things, but, um, I mean I’ve jumped into a creek or a snow storm. I have like the minor bumps and scrapes for you. Like think you’re on a step and a pair of high heels but you’re not and your ankle gets the brunt of it. Oh. Um, and then what else have I done? The query Moodle? Not, not that I can really think of. I mean, I, I was in a cage with a couple tigers last year. We get a shot for a calendar and we know they on multiple occasions tried to like bite my own off. But you know, you just kind of jump out of the way and go,

Liam Douglas: 00:34:01 um,

ElleyCat: 00:34:02 going, but I’ve never had, I’ve never broken anything on walking and I would table right there because I said, gosh, that is definitely giving it your all.

Liam Douglas: 00:34:13 Oh yeah. Yeah. So you haven’t had any bouts with poison ivy or anything like that on a sheet yet?

ElleyCat: 00:34:19 No. The last package. My backside into a cactus and that I won’t do that again and it hurts so bad.

Liam Douglas: 00:34:31 Yeah, I was going to say it hurts just thinking about it.

ElleyCat: 00:34:34 Yeah. You have to write, get pliers to like pull him out of you cause they’re like reverse park and it hurts so bad.

Liam Douglas: 00:34:41 Yeah, that’s not, that’s fun. That’s not as bad as getting nailed by a porcupine.

ElleyCat: 00:34:45 Yeah. Oh my gosh. I can’t imagine.

Liam Douglas: 00:34:48 Oh Wow. That’s crazy. That’s crazy. Uh, so, um, because I know I’m modeling is such a demanding profession. Do you have a specific diet and exercise regimen that you follow to maintain your optimum health and fitness for shoots or,

ElleyCat: 00:35:04 I do. I, I try, I don’t deny myself food, like specific types of food. I’m primarily a vegetarian and I would definitely say that the last couple times I’ve eaten meat, I’ve gotten food poisoning, which has lovely stories with them. Oh yeah. Most recently. And another thing, a lot of photographers say that I will put everything into a chute and they truly mean that. And I know I’m bypassing your question quick, but I’ll get back to it. I was on a shoot on Friday and I had driven down to Phoenix and Phoenix is about two and a half hours away from where I currently live. So it’s quite a drive one way. I was super excited to go on a shoot and I stayed with a friend and a host that evening and pretty sure I had something that had to do with the fish. Uh, but I woke up in the morning and I kind of had a stomach ache, wasn’t feeling great. I went to my photo shoot and during the two and a half hour photo shoot, I threw up eight times. Oh Wow. And I had massive food poisoning and um, I uh, but I still got through the shoot and we’re raising shot, you know, just for that brief 10 minutes that I felt fine in between throwing up was great. Not that I like to practice and try it that way.

ElleyCat: 00:36:30 I really tried to stay away from meat. I eat a lot of fruits and um, sometimes, you know, so much so that my boyfriend wonders why there’s not other things on the plate besides fruits and vegetables. But what I do, um, I, I like to run on the treadmill for the most part just because there’s a lot of wildlife around here during the summertime. Oh, we have a lot of covers and stuff that are along the trail. So I don’t do that alone. So I have a treadmill and a stationary bicycle and then I just do free weights. And, um, I just try to moderate what I eat so that I don’t overdo it. Although there are those days where I’m like, oh my gosh, I need an entire bowl of ice cream. And so as long as I feel that I work out regularly to compensate for that, I feel that I do a really good job, but I don’t have a, uh, access to a gym. And I’ve had bad experiences, experiences with Jim just in the fact that I had a soccer come from a gym. And then people like to just stare at you awkwardly as you work out. And I’m not real comfortable with that. I’d rather watch TV and run on my treadmill and have some creepo that I have no idea what they’re looking at there.

Liam Douglas: 00:37:44 No. Yeah, I can definitely understand that. And there’s a lot of weird people out there, I’ll tell you. Oh yeah. But yeah, we can definitely understand, um, where you live, not one to run outdoors. Yeah. Cause it kind of spoils your morning run to have a cougar attack. Yeah.

ElleyCat: 00:38:00 No, I would imagine that that would hurt so bad.

Liam Douglas: 00:38:03 Yeah. It gives a whole new meaning to feel the burn while you’re running. Yeah. That definitely would not be fun.

ElleyCat: 00:38:13 No.

Liam Douglas: 00:38:14 And See, I’m originally from northeastern Pennsylvania, so, and I was in scouts, you know, for years when I was a kid, I worked my way all the way up to Eagle Scout. And so my, my friends and my scout troop, we used to, we did our summer camp in a place called camp relay, which was at the top of this mountain, um, in a neighboring county. And we also went there for our January polar bear camp out. But one year when we were there for summer camp, two or three of us, we got lanterns and we decided to walk around this mile long lake that was on the property and it was into some very dense woods. And we got about halfway around the lake and we start hearing this noise. It sounded like a baby screaming or crying, turned out it was a mountain lion there was up in a tree and it was trying to lower pray. Of course we spot in the tree with our light flashlights and lanterns. But Eh, that was a lot of fun and excitement. But yeah, yeah. Finding one when you’re jogging it comes up behind you. Yeah, that would definitely spoil your morning run.

ElleyCat: 00:39:16 So last time I went, cause I did, I did use to go on this three mile trail and it was perfect because it was really steep uphill, really steep downhill. And then it had to somewhat with joggy areas, which was, you know, great for all kinds of working out. But the last time I walked on it, I was like, oh, those are interesting track. And I had been, I, I know what Cougar tracks are because my family owns a zoo. So I was taking pictures of them and I put my water bottle. I was like, wow, this is a juvenile cougar that has been walking on the same exact trail I’ve been walking on. I am not doing this again. Oh Wow. And then two weeks later people thought in town up on this trail at someone’s ranch. I was like, oh, thank God I started walking over there.

Liam Douglas: 00:40:00 Oh yeah, no kidding. Can I saw it? Yeah. Yeah. I had a friend when I was in high school back home in Pennsylvania and his family lived up on Armenian mountain, which was one of the two mountain ranges that bordered my little podunk town in the middle of nowhere. They, um, they lived in a log cabin house. It was up on Armenian mountain. And they used to keep, because they, the father and son were avid hunters just like I was when I was younger. Deer bear everything. And we always say eight what we shot. And so they had an extra um, large refrigerator freezer combo on their back porch that we, you know, plugged into electricity. They kept all their extra meeting. They were away on vacation one year and a blackberry came up on that back porch and rip the door off the hinges and ate all the me.

Liam Douglas: 00:40:46 Oh my gosh. Oh yeah. So I can definitely understand that. Yeah, definitely. And we actually had a couple of times in the last 30 years in the neighboring town to where I grew up in a town called Troy and in the neighboring town of Canton, which is about 10 miles away, they had a bar in hotel combo that was for years called the Park Hotel. And then later it was bought and remodeled, turned into an Irish fine dining place. But they actually had two cases and like a 20 year period, we’re in the middle of summer. Customers were in there drinking their cold beers at like one o’clock in the afternoon and a black bear just came up the steps and walked right in the front door. Cause I left the door open because it was so hot and the building didn’t have air conditioning. So yeah, black bear just walks right into the bar while people are shooting pool and drinking their beer. Oh yeah. And in the bear didn’t hurt anybody. He just came in,

Speaker 4: 00:41:45 walk, walked in the bar and looked around,

Liam Douglas: 00:41:48 got to walk back out again.

ElleyCat: 00:41:52 No.

Liam Douglas: 00:41:53 Yeah. I don’t know. Maybe he wanted a beer and then remembered he left his wallet at home or what?

ElleyCat: 00:41:58 Hey, that’s probably right.

Liam Douglas: 00:42:01 Oh Man. But yeah, I’ve definitely seen some crazy wildlife type stuff.

Speaker 4: 00:42:07 Oh yeah, definitely. Um,

Liam Douglas: 00:42:10 so just out of curiosity for, for young men and women out there that are interested in getting into modeling, do you have any specific advice or pointers you could give them?

Speaker 4: 00:42:19 Yup.

ElleyCat: 00:42:20 Uh, oh, whoa. Well, men and women, I would say, and I’m going to start with the donor and then go up on this. Is there an old road going to be more than one course when you’re starting out that says you have the wrong look, that you can’t do this. The goal to lose weight, that you need to perfect all these things before you can get in front of the camera. And if I would’ve listened to, but one of those people, I would never be doing what I’m doing. And if, if you believe what you’re doing is something you want to do and your heart isn’t, it keep going. It doesn’t matter if that person says, oh, well your hair doesn’t look good right now and you can’t do your makeup. I couldn’t either. I figured it out right. And I figured out how to do my makeup before there were all these makeup tutorials and all of these things on youtube where everybody’s just turned two. And I would say in that early, um, or you know, late 1990s, early two thousands when I was a teenager and I like, I need to know how to do my makeup. It was no one there except my mom going here. We did hear some Mascara and that was my mom’s version of makeup, Mascara and curling her hair. I’m like, this is never going to cut it.

ElleyCat: 00:43:45 Well she can’t do her makeup to save her life and she knows it, you know, that wasn’t going to help me. So it was just something, it was trial and error. You figured it out. You read a lot of books. I spent a lot of times the library, I would always tell them persevere. If someone tells you you can’t ignore that person and go to the next person and in between that, keep working on what you’re doing. And I would definitely say that it’s going to be a hard road no matter what. Because no matter how many, when you get, you’re going to get, you know, five sales. So that one win and it, it hurts in it. It weighs on you. I mean it, it strips you down to like the bear parts of your soul and you figure out who you are. And I know that you might think that I’m, you know, talking about curing cancer, but it’s somebody judging you on the way you look and the way how you can move and your body and what you put on it.

ElleyCat: 00:44:42 And that bears a lot of weight. It’s not something that should be taken lightly and it’s not something that’s very easy for some people. It comes absolutely natural. For me, I had to work on it. I was told many, multiple times that you don’t have the face for a camera. You look better in person than you do on film. Wow. And that broke my heart. I mean, I was in la when I had big, uh, big name photographers and agencies looking at me going, you know what? I’m sorry, your measurements are just off and we don’t like you. And you know, that was essentially it. And I was like, wow, I don’t know exactly what to do, but I’m gonna figure it out. And you know, I, my feet are too small for my body size. So everybody thinks that my height measurements are wrong. And by the way, I’m five, nine and I have a size six shoe size.

Liam Douglas: 00:45:38 Wow.

ElleyCat: 00:45:38 So for my height to foot ratio, that’s wrong. Like I should have a size nine foot for my height. And so people look at me and they’re like, yeah, something’s either on your, your foot’s a lot bigger or your height is wrong. And so we’re betting it’s your height. So I didn’t want to have people look at me for the longest time based on my measurement until I saw them in person. They’re like, Oh wow, with your car. And I’m like, nope, you said it so well. People read on paper, unfortunately is a lot of how they judge you. And then they see just this one wrong photo in their lives are, and we don’t like you for these reasons, right? It’s all about your attitude. You know, if you go into it and you’re hoping you already want to do your it for you and then see what happens later because your heart is in it and it’s a hobby started out as something that it’s, you know, just you have a passion about and all great things come from someone’s passion. Correct. It’s gotta be that true love of something. And then people will see how passionate you are about it. And believe me, a mirror, especially a full length mirror, will be your best friend because it’s going to show you, hey there, put your arms this way, don’t squeeze this position. And the more awkward it feels, it looks great on film. So I mean, that’s, that’s a mouthful. But that’s my, that’s my honest opinion about that.

Liam Douglas: 00:47:06 Cool. That’s awesome. Well, you know, and it’s like with anything, anything in life, like with my photography, you know, I just do it. I got intrigued with photography from the time I was a little kid playing around with my parents’ camera. And I’ve been doing it off and on sometimes as a profession, sometimes it’s just a hobby for most of 30 years now. And um, and I, and that’s why I like doing my, that I mentioned earlier, it’s because sometimes I like to just go out and do my own thing. Um, you know, I’m not worried about shooting something that somebody else wants or somebody else’s paying me for. I can just go out and do something that I’m passionate about. And I came from a large family of small business owners, so the forgotten pieces of Georgia project really spoke to me when I started seeing all these.

Liam Douglas: 00:47:49 And what had happened was, um, my girlfriend and I were driving some back roads in Georgia a couple of years ago and we came upon this small town called Sparta and Hancock County. And at one time Sparta was like part of the world, the U S and world capital of the cotton industry. And then after the boll weevil epidemic in the early 19 hundreds, it decimated the, you know, the cotton crops and everything fell apart. And then later on the building that was the cotton warehouse got bought by a company that turned it into a furniture factory. So they manufactured wooden furniture there for many, many years. And then when the company closed the factory and moved everything to Florida, the camp, I just basically turn the town into a ghost town. And I came upon that just by happen chance one weekend. And, and I stopped on broad street, which is the main road in town.

Liam Douglas: 00:48:46 And at that time they were, they were making plans to rebuild the courthouse, cause a spark is also Hancock counties. It’s the county seat. So the county court houses there, well that had burned to the ground. Um, so I’m there on broad street and I’m looking up and down broad street. And at one time there was 40 small businesses up and down, both sides of the street. And now there’s like six and just all these empty buildings. And I was like, man, that’s really sad. And that’s where I came up with the idea for my project. And you know, I do it because I’m passionate about that particular subject. I’ve always been passionate about photography. I’m not lucky enough to be like my son, my son Darren, he’s very talented. He can play guitar, he can draw, he can do all kinds of cool stuff. I didn’t, I wasn’t born with any of those gifts. So the only creativity and artistic side of me is my photography. That’s it. That’s all I have. So, but it’s definitely nice to do something you’re passionate about for sure.

ElleyCat: 00:49:46 We’re definitely showers in those photos that you’re doing. What’s that series? Cause I’ve looked through most of yours on those abandoned gas stations and I’m going, there’s a couple of them, I don’t know the names of them, but I’m like, oh my gosh, I could point that out and know who took it sort of thing. Your, you can see in the photos that you’re taking, your passionate and I guess I have a question for you just in the fact that, are you putting those in some kind of a gallery? Do you have a special page or like a forgotten parts of Georgia are or is that kind of thing or you could be doing something like that?

Liam Douglas: 00:50:20 Well, um, I’m hoping to eventually do some sort of book. Um, but right now I did create a webpage for the project that’s just the, uh, the, the website is forgotten pieces of and I have started a youtube channel because I, I started out just doing stills and a couple of my professors when I was finishing my bachelor’s degree in photography, they’re like, you really should start shooting video two and then posted it like behind the scenes clips and stuff like that on a youtube channel. So I started doing that and it’s hard for me to keep up with the youtube side of things because I worked two full time jobs, one in photography and one in it. And it doesn’t leave me a lot of spare time. And now I started this podcast. The podcast is a little bit easier to do because you know, um, I just talk into a microphone recording or I do an interview like I am today with you and you know, there’s not a whole lot of editing I have to do.

Liam Douglas: 00:51:15 I don’t cut any pieces out or anything like that. So once I’m done recording it, I just uploaded it to though the company that I have hosted my files and it goes out to iTunes and everything else. But uh, but you do, and you and I were talking about that earlier. You’re getting ready to start a youtube channel, which, which I think is fantastic. Um, but it’s so much work to do youtube videos. Oh my God, it’s so much work. Hang in the editing and you know, putting in music and all this other stuff. It’s like, oh my God, it’s just a lot of work. Lot of work

ElleyCat: 00:51:51 so far. But yeah, I am turning every cat and there’s no videos there yet. And for some reason I have a subscriber and I’m doing kind of what happens with modeling as far as, you know, I get ready myself because you can’t always hire a hair and makeup artists, right? You don’t be a freelance model. That’s not something that’s easy for you to attend and for. You can’t just go, oh, I’m going to hire this person. And because there goes all the money that you made to hiring the hair and makeup. Correct. So we’ve got a little bit of a, Hey, I’m getting ready part and a little bit of the makeup part, but a lot of behind the scenes and how that works to what you actually get back from, you know, the photographer and on how that looks in comparison to what it actually looks like on the set, what they actually developing gives to you and I, so far my videos are fun that I’m editing. I’m looking for that uh, area where I can find that it doesn’t have the copyright, but I can put it on. You can clearly see, I have no idea what I’m talking about. And that’s all the time.

Liam Douglas: 00:53:04 Well actually I can help you with that because you might not be aware of, but youtube actually has royalty free music built into their system that you can use for your videos.

ElleyCat: 00:53:16 I did. I didn’t even know that.

Liam Douglas: 00:53:17 Yup, they do. I’ll have to send you the links on how you get to that stuff.

ElleyCat: 00:53:21 Oh, please do.

Liam Douglas: 00:53:22 Yup. Absolutely. Uh, but yeah, like said and, and being the, the work that you do with the modeling, I mean, I can imagine you can put some fantastic videos together, you know, of how you get ready for a shoot. The kinds of things that you, you don’t get, you have to do in preparation for any kind of project shoot or anything like that. And I can definitely see that as meaning youtube channel. It’ll take off and be really popular for sure.

ElleyCat: 00:53:51 I have the most amazing support system ever. I mean, I, I found this boyfriend and like the middle of nowhere, right. And he has turned out to be the most amazing man and it will follow me on these things. Holding either a Gopro or my iPhone and one of those little gimble things and take videos of me so that I can put it on my computer and he’s just, he’s like right there to help me. Or he’ll, he’ll chip in and he’ll help the photographer just with lights or, uh, you know, moving my hair 60 clothing. Cause some photographers don’t like to come up to a model who’s half, they say, Hey, can I lose this because it’s in the way. And so my boyfriend’s like, I’ll do it. You know, he doesn’t have to ask if he walks up and the photographers like, thank you so much.

ElleyCat: 00:54:37 So it’s great to have that kind of system. Yeah. Got Everybody does. I’ve found out that, you know, which is unfortunate. And I would, I guess say for those models that don’t have that support systems or boyfriends or husbands or whomever, they aren’t or are jealous of what they’re doing, I had one of those and it doesn’t end well and find somebody who supports you. Find that person who’s not jealous that hey, you’re taking beautiful pictures in front of the photographer, but you go home with the boyfriend here I was a photographer and a lot of those boyfriends don’t understand that. No touchy subject for some boyfriend. I just, I have to put that up there.

Liam Douglas: 00:55:22 That’s totally cool. Yeah, like you said, it’s definitely a huge support. It’s a huge part of, you know, your work as a model. Having somebody that’s there for you and supports what you’re doing and, and just totally call with everything you’re doing and even goes with you. And like you say, shooting the behind the scenes footage. So now you can put that into your youtube. I mean, that’s

ElleyCat: 00:55:41 fantastic there a lot of the people here, just too much. I don’t know. We can go on your channel and I don’t want to, you agree with that man. You just wanting the car out of them. Right? So guy comes up to my boyfriend because my boyfriend works in the same area in the diesel diagnostics part of the job, working on big catechumenate. And he comes up to him and says, hey dude, I hate to say this, but you know, your girlfriend has like, they get photos on learning, right. And my boyfriend looks at him and he pauses and he gathers himself and he’s all, no shit, stupid. I was there holding the light.

Liam Douglas: 00:56:27 The guy just kind of put the,

ElleyCat: 00:56:30 oh well sorry man, I just want you to know he like walked off of the sale talks like jerk boyfriend.

Liam Douglas: 00:56:40 You know what I mean? These the, yes. That’s great. That’s actually kind of funny because I, I’ll throw in one of the stories from my younger days. Um, back in my hometown, I worked for a few years in this paper factory in and it was called paper magic or our plant was called Eureka. Not really original, but um, but we made, we made like the Christmas tags that people put on their Christmas presents, you know, the two front tabs. And we did, and you don’t see him as much anymore. But one of the big things we did was all of the paper cutouts for like Christmas and Halloween and Valentine’s Day. And all that stuff. Oh, well I worked there and a couple of my cousins worked there as well. The sisters, Donna and ginger and ginger was dating a guy who was one of my best friends. He was a few years older than me, but he and his brother Bobby and I were really, uh, it was Bobby and Carl and I was really close with them.

Liam Douglas: 00:57:39 Used to go hunting with them all the time and stuff. And Jen, my cousin, Ginger’s boyfriend Carl, he used to go out of town a lot because he did construction. So he was on the road quite a bit, traveling to other counties or other states for these projects. And Ginger, I love her to death. She’s always had kind of a twisted sense of humor like myself. And so one, one summer while Carl was out of town for a couple of months on this big construction project, she got the idea for her and I to walk around the plant holding hands all the time and sitting, sitting together in the break room on our meal breaks and going out to smoke together and all this stuff. And we did this, oh no, seven days a week for like two months. And then of course Carl comes back into town and the first night he’s back in the town we’re working.

Liam Douglas: 00:58:31 So he stops down at the plant on our dinner break and he’s in there sitting with his wife while they were married at this point, they were in there, uh, having dinner together. They were sitting together and is, she deliberately told me to sit on the other side of the break room and all of the gossips in that place. Couldn’t wait to go just for running in there. Hey Carl. Carl, I think, I think bill’s having an affair with your wife, man. They’ve been run right. Holding hands and all this stuff in the last couple of months. And he just looked at me. He’s like, you fricking idiots. They’re cousins. They did that just to screw with you.

ElleyCat: 00:59:04 Yeah.

Liam Douglas: 00:59:04 So yeah, she and I used to ask some real fun messing with people’s heads when we were younger.

ElleyCat: 00:59:10 Oh my gosh. I wish I would have been awesome.

Liam Douglas: 00:59:16 Yeah. Yeah. Like I said, she, she and I both we, and that’s one of the reasons why we were such good friends. We both had that twisted sense of humor like that.

ElleyCat: 00:59:25 I like that on my back.

Liam Douglas: 00:59:28 Oh yeah. It was a lot of fun. And those people, look, they, Bridgette, you could just tell it just totally blew their minds that the whole time we were playing them like that because we knew which people were gossips. Oh yeah. For sure. Oh, that was so much fun. So me, it’s so much fun.

ElleyCat: 00:59:46 Oh yeah, yeah. On both accounts.

Liam Douglas: 00:59:51 Oh, so now I, I had you send me your links. I’m going to make sure I put those in the description for the episode. Um, you’re on Instagram is Ellie cat as well as Facebook is modeled dot Elly cat. Why? I guess that’s what you are on both. Um, yeah. And then, uh, if you want to go ahead and shoot me your youtube channel, once you get your first couple of videos posted, I can update the description and put that in there as well for you because I mean, you definitely do some awesome work and it’s so strange to hear you talking about, you know, how people didn’t want to work with you because they said you didn’t have the right look and stuff. Cause I’ve seen a lot of your photographs and you do great work. I mean you’re very attractive. You got great loads. I’ve seen some of the cool theme stuff you’ve done is just fabulous work.

ElleyCat: 01:00:35 I really appreciate that. It, I would definitely say it’s been a really hard road for me modeling. I mean some of the pictures don’t show it but I’m, I dunno, I’m kind of a nerd and a goof ball and like there’s, there’s not much that I have found that I either don’t love doing or that I can’t do. And I’m not just horribly brag on myself, but you know, I’ve been told by multiple people, you are so naturally talented at so many things. I’m like, well thanks. It’s because I have a passion, I want to do it. Right. I believe that’s what stands in people’s way is they don’t believe in themselves. Yeah. And I, I really believe in myself and I know that if anything else happens, if no one else believes in me, I know that I do. And that’s what’s going to drive forward.

Liam Douglas: 01:01:19 Exactly. And that’s why you’re not succeeding.

ElleyCat: 01:01:23 Well, thank you. That’s why I’m where I’m at today. I’ve had a lot of people sent me down for many things and um, I have always been a person that perseveres.

Liam Douglas: 01:01:33 Uh, I was talking to one of my new friends on Facebook. He does a photography podcast as well. And he and I were chatting on Facebook messenger the other night and you know, I’ve made some comments about some of their past episodes that were really amazing. Um, one they did on flash, a flash photography and sync speeds and all that stuff. And then I got, I got talking to him one on one on Facebook messenger and he’s like, man, I appreciate that. You know, the positive things you’re saying about the episodes. You said, I mostly only ever hear from the haters and I said, dude, it’s an old saying but it’s true. Haters are gonna hate you gotta learn to just ignore them.

ElleyCat: 01:02:08 Yup.

Liam Douglas: 01:02:09 There’s always gonna be somebody out there that’s going to hate on you just because they’re jealous or whatever or they just, that’s their lot in life to make other people as miserable as possible.

ElleyCat: 01:02:18 Hello. I always the loudest

Liam Douglas: 01:02:20 for some reason. Right, exactly. Can you just I don’t get it. Yup. Yup. Exactly. All right. I don’t want to keep you too long. We’ve gone a little bit over an hour, which is great cause I, I like, I liked the interviews to be the longer format. Some of my other episodes where I just talk about cameras or, or various equipment, things like that are shorter episodes, but I definitely wanted the interviews to be longer and, and so I hope I didn’t tie you up too much and keep you away from other things that you needed to attend to, but I definitely wanted to,

ElleyCat: 01:02:49 no, no. I think I’m going to watch some TV and pack for my trip tomorrow, but no, I so appreciate this and thank you for extending the author and if you ever want to chat again and whatnot, use let me know. It’s awesome.

Liam Douglas: 01:03:06 Oh absolutely. I can definitely think we would definitely have you on again as another, as a, as a guest on another episode in the near future. Absolutely. You’ve been wonderful to talk to and, and you’ve given me a lot of insight, you know, and, and my listeners a lot of insight and do you know what you go through, you know, to do what you do and what you’re passionate about. And I think it’s great that all these new doors are opening for you when in other states too. I think that’s awesome.

ElleyCat: 01:03:32 No, thank you. I’ll look you up. We can go break into a gas station or we can shoot.

Liam Douglas: 01:03:42 I have, there you go. Yeah. Like I said, if you start traveling for shoots and you come to the Atlanta area, definitely let me know ahead of time cause I’ll definitely book some time with you.

ElleyCat: 01:03:51 Yeah, for sure. I will.

Liam Douglas: 01:03:53 All right, well thanks again for your time Ella. You have yourself a wonderful day.

ElleyCat: 01:03:58 You do. You have a good evening. All right. Bye Bye. Bye Bye.

Liam Douglas: 01:04:03 Okay,

Liam Douglas: 01:04:03 well there you go folks. That wraps up my first interview with Ellie cat professional freelance model. Uh, like I said earlier when I, as I was talking to her, you can check out her links into the description of this podcast. You can find her on Instagram as well as Facebook. And she is starting her own youtube channel with videos that her boyfriend shoots for her while she’s out on various modeling gigs. Um, behind the scenes stuff. You know, all the things she goes through do, do jobs, you don’t doing her own hair, makeup, wardrobe, all of that stuff. So I was really grateful to get her on the show today and I think it made for a really awesome episode. I want to thank my listeners again for, for listening to this podcast for subscribing, rating, and reviewing and iTunes and any other pod catchers that you use. And I want to thank you for listening to this. This is Liam Douglas with the Leon photography podcast, and I’ll see you next time.