Month: July 2019

Episode 30: Sony Announces the A7R4 and More…

In this episode I talk about the new Sony A7R4 as well as new Canon and Nikon rumors and some software discounts.

Sony A7R4 from Alpha Universe

Canon EOS M5 & M6 MK2

Rumored Canon EOS M6 Mark II specifications [CR1]

Canon EOS RP with RF 24-240 IS F/4-6.3 Bundle

Canon EOS C500 MK2 Cinema Camera

Rumored Canon Cinema EOS C500 Mark II specifications [CR1]

Nikon Z 85mm F/1.8 S

Rumors: Nikon Nikkor Z 85mm f/1.8 S lens coming next week

Software Discounts and Bundles

New releases and discount offers: Luminar 4, Topaz Studio 2, ON1 Photo RAW 2019.5

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Liam: 00:00 Sony announces the a seven r mark four and some new camera body rumors from cannon and a Nikon Lens to be released next week. All of this on episode 30 of the Liam photography podcast.

Liam: 00:33 you’re listening to the Liam photography podcast. I’m your host Liam Douglas and this is episode 30. I want to thank all of my listeners for subscribing, rating and reviewing and iTunes and anywhere else that you might be listening to us, which as of this week also includes the Liam photography podcast is now available to stream via and still trying to get something, um, from Pandora but I haven’t had any luck yet but uh, sent me an email earlier this week that the show is officially in their system now. So that’s another, another place that you could listen to the show. I did also want to remind my listeners that you can call and leave a voicemail or text the show to four, 702-NINE-FOUR-8191. And feel free to leave a voicemail or send a text message with any questions you might have or a photography topic that you would like me to cover in an upcoming show and we will definitely give it some serious consideration.

Liam: 01:30 I always love to hear from the listeners and any kinds of ideas or questions that they might have that could be addressed on the show, so feel free to reach out to for 702-NINE-FOUR-8191 and I also wanted to remind the listeners that you can join the Facebook group for the Liam photography podcast. You can find us on Facebook now. It is a closed group and you can request to join. You’ll have to answer one question that join the group and that question is what is the name of the host of the show, which is myself. You can put Liam or Liam Douglas, either one and then you’ll be approved to join the group. Now the reason why I did that is to keep down the spammers and bots because nobody likes it. When those, those kinds of things infiltrate Facebook groups. That could be a lot of fun and a lot of enjoyment for everybody, so that’s why we have the security question.

Liam: 02:20 Now also remember once you join the group, you’re allowed to post five of your own photos every 24 hours. You can either spread them out and upload one every few hours throughout a day or you can do all five at once and let Facebook create the little photo slide show of your five images. Please do not share or upload work that is not your own. That will get you banned from the group. All right, let’s get onto the news for this week. So this week Sony has announced the ace sub an r mark four which is going to be their latest mirrorless full frame camera and this one’s going to be a mega pixel monster. This camera will be available in September of 2019 but I believe that they are taking preorders now and I will share the article from Alpha Universe in the show notes so that you can check it out for yourself.

Liam: 03:11 But here are the key features in the new a seven r mark for the world’s first 35 millimeter full frame, 61.0 megapixel back illuminated x more. Our C moss image center with latest generation buy on is x image processor 15 stops of dynamic range at low sensitivities resulting in smooth natural gradiate gradiations ranging from deep shadows to highlights, high speed continuous shooting it up to 10 frames a second with full a AV and a tracking for approximately seven seconds in full frame mode and an increased buffer memory and approximately three times as long if you’re shooting the camera and in crop mode a PSC mode. Now this is huge because all the way up through the a seven r mark three, um, when you were doing continuous shooting you could not use a f and h e tracking. They were not, you could not use those with the continuous shooting at the same time.

Liam: 04:16 So this is a big one for the Sony shooters. You can now shoot 10 frames a second with full afe tracking and it’ll be able to continue that for up to seven seconds and full frame mode and three times longer. If you’re in a PSC mode, which generally probably means about 21 uh, 21 seconds if you’re in a PSC crop mode. Now the camera also has 567 and focal plane phase detection AAF points covering 74% of the image area and 425 contrast af points. Now the AAF points in this camera, I mean that’s a lot of auto focus points, but I’m really shocked that in full frame mode they only cover 74% of the image area because if memory serves me correctly and people have been poopoo and Canon and Nikon for being so late, getting into the marital is full frame market, but my eos are, if memory serves me correctly, has 100% coverage.

Liam: 05:15 I think on the horizontal at 98% on the vertical or maybe it’s the other way around. So I’m really shocked that Sony who’s been making mirrorless full frame cameras for a heck of a lot longer than Canon and Nikon. It’s only giving you 74% coverage and full frame over those 567 focus points. Now if you’re shooting at a PSC mode, it’s my understanding that you have pretty much a hundred percent coverage when you crop down, but it seems kind of unusual to me that they would give you 74% and full frame mode at 100% in crop mode. Why not give them 100% both modes or give them better while you, I mean you just couldn’t give them better coverage and full frame mode versus crop because crop using less of the but yeah, at least give the users 98% coverage and full frame and crop both instead of 74 and full frame and in 100% in crop.

Liam: 06:06 It just seems weird to me. Okay, so now they are also going to have the debut of real time IAF for movie recording and advanced realtime tracking plus realtime IAF for still image recording. Now on the feature side as far as crop shooting, if you’re somebody likes to shoot crop, we use crop body lenses to get a little more reach. The APC crop mode delivers a stunning high resolution of 26.2 megapixels. That’s pretty darn good. I mean that’s a lot of resolution for our crop body. So that is definitely outstanding and it has a 5.7 6 million dot. U x Ga oh a Oh led true finder electronic viewfinder with outstanding EHL, detailed brightness and contrast upgrading connectivity and operability including high speed wifi support, wireless PC, remote connectivity, FTP wireless transfer, faster data transfer via USB and more. And I’ve also heard that this one has the newer USBC three dot.

Liam: 07:12 Two I believe technology, um, which means it’s capable I think of 20 gigabytes a second transfer speeds if you’re using a USBC cable, which is great if you’re somebody who likes to tether, shoot in the studio. Now a also has professional 4k movie recording functionality including full pixel readout with no pixel bidding in super 35 millimeter mode s log three HDR workflow support. It has multi interface shoe with digital audio interface delivers to high quality sound recording with Sony’s new microphone and XLR microphone adapter and additional enhancements to the buddy design include an improved grip and button layout for improved control with compact lightweight body. Now I know one of the things they did change in this that the Sony shooters are going to really like because I know a big complaint I’ve heard from so many triggers led up to the a seven r three is the er, the exposure compensation dial.

Liam: 08:10 Um, people would accidentally hit that and it would throw off their exposure and screw up their shots and stuff like that. Now Sony and this is something that Sony is very well known for when it comes to their cameras. They do listen to their users and the a seven r mark forward does have a lock for the exposure compensation dial so you can lock the dial so you can’t accidentally bump it and move it when you’re taking a camera in and out of your bag or what have you. So you don’t have to worry about any of your shots getting messed up because the exposure compensation got hit accidentally. So this is definitely exciting. Um, uh, especially for the Sony shooters, it sounds like the a seven r mark for is going to be a great camera. Now it’s not a tremendous upgrade from the a seven r three.

Liam: 08:59 So if you have a seminar three, I wouldn’t tell you to run out and sell that and run out and preorder this one. Um, just because it’s not that big of an upgrade. Now the one other thing this camera does have that I forgot to mention is this camera has two card slots that are now uhs too. So both SD card slots or uhs two instead of one being uhs one and the other one being uhs two, which was the case up through the a seven r mark three, which I always thought was stupid because if you want to shoot the both cards at once, that seriously shows, slows down your camera because it’s not going to write the files to memory any faster than the slowest card. So basically with the ace Webinar seminar mark three if you add a uhs one and a uhs tube card in there and you were writing to both cards at once, then even the uhs to card would write as slow as the uhs one card slot.

Liam: 09:58 And I always thought that was idiotic. I actually like why the hell did you put uhs two for both slots in the ace seminar three? Well they have finally done it with the r four and I know that’ll make a, the Sony shooter is very happy and of course I did forget to mention earlier the 35 millimeter full frame sensor is back illuminated. So, um, I know a lot of people are really into that back backside illumination in the sensor and this one has it just like uh, their previous bodies. So that is definitely going to be exciting for the Sony shooters. Um, but like I said, if you have an a seven r mark three I wouldn’t recommend selling it and run it right out and buy in the mark four. It’s not that big of an upgrade. And although it’s more megapixels cause the r three is 40, I think 40 yeah, 42 megapixels and the r four is 61 megapixels, you’re gaining 19 extra megapixels.

Liam: 10:53 Um, but on the full frame side it’s not really, I mean it’s not really offering you that much more. I mean yeah, more resolution but it doesn’t really do any good unless you’re printing like billboards or something like that, you know, really, really large print. Now where the sensor does come in handy is if you are one of the people that I mentioned earlier that does like to shoot in crop mode because you have some of the crop lenses and you want to be able to get more, get more reach with your full frame lenses. I shooting in crop mode because in crop mode you are getting 26.2 megapixels, which I believe is currently the highest resolution for an APS sensor. I could be wrong, but I believe that is currently the highest. Um, I think canons sl three, which they just released recently, I think it’s 20 or 24 megapixels.

Liam: 11:41 I can’t remember, but this one’s 26.2 so it is a bit higher resolution than the competition. All right, so that’s the a seven r mark. For the next items I want to talk about come from Canon and the first item I wanted to talk about today is the fact that Canon rumors has been informed by one of their sources that cannon is planning to release an Ios m five mark too and an Ios and six mark two and they’re on, they will be on their way soon. A cannon’s expected to announce these new products on or around August 28th, 2019 and things have started to leak out whether they’re true or not, we don’t know yet. Um, it’s expected that at least the Eos m five will get a replacement, but we’ve seen our first mention of the Eos m six replacement coming at the same time.

Liam: 12:35 So it’s possible that Canon may release both around the same time frame. Now they did receive their first mentioned in the new Ios 10 bodies for the first time in a long time. The Eos m five mark two and six, mark to uh, both internal product and project Nacho. Most cameras will have a similar EVF to the Canon RP. No crop in four k video, no crop. You mean beyond the fact that they’re already a crop body camera? Uh, I don’t think somebody thought that out very well before they put that in the article and they’re supposed to support high frame rates for slow motion video. If both these cameras do indeed get evs, then it will be a form factor that will be all, it will differentiate the two models and it will be something new because uh, with most of cans, crop body mirrorless cameras in the past they did not include an EBS.

Liam: 13:29 Um, if it was available you had to buy it as a separate component for an extra cost. So it’s definitely going to be interesting if they are going to include the EVF with both these cameras this time around. That would be great for the buyers of those cameras that people like to shoot with the m series, a cannon crop body, a mirrorless cameras. So that’ll be great for them. But we’ll have to wait and see. I don’t know if I believe that is going to give away the EVF and not charge you extra for it, but I have a feeling that if they do they’ll probably make up for it by raising the price of the camera so you’ll just still be paying more for the evs but you’ll be paying it upfront when you order the camera body and you’ll get both at the same time instead of having the order the EPF separately.

Liam: 14:13 All right. The next item I have is a rumor Canon Cinema Eos c 500 mark two and this is supposed to be the successor for the EOC 500 and is expected to be released later on this fall and we have some rumor specifications that have been sent over the cinema EOC 500 mark two we’ll have a full frame sensor, raw internal recording, both fourK and two k. The fourK is up to 60 p twoK is up to 120 p optional XF Dash ABC recording and four dot. Two two 10 bit four k up to 62 k up to 120 again, user interchangeable Lens Mount, which that makes sense. A optional modules with EBF Gen Lock Time Code 12 g Dash SDI and et Cetera, e f and p l amount available. Both mounts will be available at launch power supply with a BP Dash, a series, batteries and optional module four v Mount Batteries as well.

Liam: 15:21 Optional module for four times XLR inputs backwards compatibility with the EVF Dash v 70 the LV dash one and some other peripherals from previous cinema ios cameras, which again makes sense. New media usage. CF Express cards will be used in this model for faster reading and writing speeds and it will also include Wifi and IP streaming capabilities. So we’ll have to wait and see if all of these rumors do, uh, come to fruition when the camera is actually announced. Now if this specifications are true, Canon is not yet moving to eight k video, which is really surprising because I know they’ve been working on it for a while. A, which means the eight k camera used at the apple event back in June isn’t the see 500 mark two it must be a altogether different model. So we’ll have to wait and see how many of these rumors turn out to be true that it would be really, really cool for those that are into the ios cinema cameras.

Liam: 16:22 It sounds like the a five c 500 mark two is going to be a fantastic video camera and I’m sure there’s gonna be a lot of folks out there, the shoot video that they’re going to be excited to get their hands on it once it is officially released. All right, now we also have a preorder deal they can on Ios RP with RF 24 to two 40 f four to six three I s USM kit will be 1999 the regular price would be 2199 so you can save $200 with the launch of the Canon RF 24 to two 40. Uh, they’re doing this kick combination and you’ll save $200 on the kit when you preorder. Now the kit will begin shipping on September 5th, so it’s not quite available yet. And this bundle also includes $147 and 97 value, a bonus value, uh, the canon LPE 17 battery and Canon amount dept or f two s are.

Liam: 17:25 So if you want to preorder that, you can do that. And I will put a link to the preorder in the show notes if you want it to go ahead and take advantage of that, that’s definitely a good deal. And you’re saving a couple of hundred dollars. Uh, from what everything I’ve read so far, that lens is going to be pretty impressive. Um, considering it’s not one, again is high end lenses, uh, but it is going to offer you a lot of versatility where you’d be able to carry just one lens and have everything from 24 to two 40. Now of course the aperture isn’t the fastest, um, at f four to f 6.3, but it’s still not bad, especially because a lot of times when somebody, um, wants to have a single lens, they can carry around so well. Like when they go on vacation or something like that, or they’re a hobbyist and they want a single lens that will give them a lot of coverage for like their kids’ sporting events and stuff like that or plays and, and so on.

Liam: 18:18 Um, so it’s going to be a great lens for that. Now keep in mind, it’s not going to be a great low light performer. Um, so you’re going to have a harder time if you’re using an indoors in low light conditions, the less you can use artificial lighting or a speed light or something like that, but chances are if you’re taking it to a sporting event or, uh, one of your kids plays, they’re going to poopoo on you using a flash. So keep that in mind. It will be a great lens to use outdoors. And the rumors are the lens by itself is going to reach out for $900, which isn’t too bad. Um, but me personally, if I was going to spend $900, I would rather get the RF 24 to one oh five f four l I s and have a really nice LVNs.

Liam: 19:01 This stays at 40 throughout. Of course with this lens you’re getting an extra hundred and 35 millimeter reach, but you’re also sacrificing low, lower light capabilities. Um, because at the far end of the Lens, you’re going to be an f 6.3. So definitely keep that in mind. Uh, like I said, $900 is probably not too bad a price for that Lens. Um, especially being in its native RF mountain has a control ring and everything. Uh, but again, for $900, I think I would rather have the 24 to one oh five and then just move closer. If I need a better reach, you know, and I’m, I’ve got 135 millimeters less rates than somebody else, but that’s okay. I can just move up closer to the action and get the shot that I need. And I always recommend that you do that as well. You don’t need to use a super telephoto lens all the time.

Liam: 19:52 Just use your feet. God gave you the ability to zoom when you’re shooting. It’s called feet move closer. Uh, all right, so now on to the last item I want to talk about in this episode and this article is actually from nighttime rumors that Nikon Nightcore z 85 millimeter f 1.8 s lens is said to be coming next week, which I’m sure that’ll get the Nikon z shooters. Excited to have a nice 85 millimeter of 1.8 portrait Lens. It’s going to be a fairly good low lake performer at f 1.8. Um, I do have the a canon 85 millimeter f 1.8 USM gold band lens and I really love that Lens. Now a lot of people will spend the extra money to get to 85, uh, mark one or mark two f 1.2 L’s on the Kenyan side. But everything I read, those two lenses don’t perform nearly as well as far as autofocus and they’re not quite as sharp as the 85.

Liam: 20:59 1.8. Now I have heard that the newer a designed 85 millimeter f 1.4 I s u s m l Lens that can and released is much, much better than the 85 one point twos and even better than the 85 1.8. I have not bought that lens yet because it’s fairly expensive and I don’t do a ton of portrait shooting. I’ve already got an 85 one point a and I’ve got an 85 1.4 manual lens. So I mean that’s pretty much all I need. And then I also have the 135 millimeter f two L, which is a fantastic lens. That is one heck of a good lens and I always enjoy using it. Now one other item, I apologize, I did have one last item from the Nikon rumor site, a new releases and a discount offers lumen for Topez studio two on one photo raw 2019 dot five.

Liam: 21:57 So Topez studio two was just released in as $20 offered limited time. And I’ll put a link to this article in the show notes. Um, you can also preorder luminar four. I don’t have to worry about pre-ordering it because on the lumen our affiliates, so I always get the upgrades for free. Um, you can do a bundle pack early bird lumen are for special, where you get lumen are for and some of their inspiration looks, which are their presets. They’re normally 89 for the luminar and 49 for the presets. And you can get both for $59 which saves you 79 bucks instead of paying the normal price of one 38 and then there is a Llumar three plus four early bird special where you get luminar four which is a $90 value. The presets, which are $50 value and movement are three, which is the current version.

Liam: 22:51 And that’s a $69 value. So instead of paying two oh seven for everything in this bundle, you could pay $99 and get all of that, which saves you a $108. That is fantastic. Now some are special on one photo raw 2019 dot. Five edition is on sale for the summer special at 49 99 regular prices 99 99 so you can save a 50% there which is a nice little chunk of change. And the on one a photo. Raul is really good software. I’ve tinkered around with it quite a bit. I do own it. Um, I if I remember correctly, I don’t know if it supports my cr three roll files from the Ios are yet. So maybe this update, um, will give me that uh, functionality which would be nice cause I do like using that software and I want it to be able to use it more.

Liam: 23:43 But right now for my full full time real estate Gig, I’ve been shooting with the a Eos r and, m because now they’re having us do upload of all the photos on site when we, as soon as we finished the house instead of at the end of the day they had us switching to shooting in jpeg. So it’s kind of a moot point as far as that goes. But I do still like to shoot with the eos are you know, my personal stuff and I always use raw for my personal anything I’m shooting for myself or for our client outside my real estate work. Um, and if I remember I it, the online photo ball does not support the CR three raw files just yet. Um, and I don’t believe Lumen r three does either. Hopefully our alumina, our four will, but I guess I’ll have to wait and see.

Liam: 24:27 All right, that’s all I’m going to do on this episode of the Liam photography podcast. You’ve been listening to episode 30. Once again, I want to thank all of my listeners for subscribing, rating and reviewing and iTunes and anywhere else you might listen to us, which again now includes also, please don’t be afraid to call or text (470) 294-8191 if you have any questions or an idea for a topic you would like me to cover in an upcoming episode, feel free to text or call and leave a voicemail. You may even get a call back from me. You never know. Uh, I’m not going to guarantee that I’ll call you back, but you never know. It could happen. All right. I want to thank all of my listeners again for listening to episode 30 of the Liam photography podcast, and I will see you again next week for episode 31

Episode 29: IBIS Coming to Select Canon DSLRs and Photography Gear Luggage

In this episode I talk about IBIS coming to select future Canon DSLRs and in the extended topic, photography gear luggage.

IBIS for Canon DSLRs

IBIS is coming to select next generation Canon DSLRs [CR2]

Photography Gear Luggage

Photography Gear Luggage

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Liam: 00:00 Ivis are in body image stabilization is rumored to becoming in selected DSLRs from Canon in the near future and this week’s extended topic photography year, luggage for your photography gear. All of this coming up on episode 29 of the Liam photography podcast.

Liam: 00:40 you’re listening to the Liam Photography podcast. I’m your host Liam Douglas and this is episode 29 I want to take a moment to thank all of my listeners for subscribing, rating and reviewing and iTunes and anywhere else you might be listening to this show and also be sure to check out the Liam photography podcast Facebook group and I’ll give you a little bit more about the Facebook group at the tail end of the show. So the first item I wanted to talk about today is a story from Canon that IVUS is coming to select next generation. Canon DSLRs. Now, I had been recently reported that a patent showing ibis and a DSLR from Ken has been circulating around and most of us have known for quite some time that IVUS was coming to the next ios. Our cameras as cannon had already confirmed that, but that was the first indication that ibis was also being developed.

Liam: 01:42 For DSLRs, when information on the patent that Canon filed circulate it as always, just because something appears in a patent doesn’t automatically mean that it will definitely appear in a released product. Sometimes companies will file a patent for a new feature or technology to put in one of their existing products or an existing product line, but then for technical reasons, something doesn’t flesh out right and it doesn’t end up coming to fruition. Now, to give you a good example of this, some of you may remember that a little over a year ago or maybe actually, maybe it’s been closer to two years now. Apple announced at our fall event that they were going to be releasing what they called the error power pad. Now the air power pad from apple was to be a three item charging pad for wireless charging your apple devices. It was going to have the ability to charge your iPhone eight or 10 or today, 10 s in tennis Max and 10 Ar.

Liam: 02:54 It would also have the ability at the same time the charge or apple airpods, the first generation ones. If you bought the wireless charging case for them or your second generation apple airpods which automatically came with a wireless charging case. And then the third item that the pad was able to charge simultaneously was the apple watch. Now, however, if I remember correctly, um, the caveat was it was only for Apple Watch four series and newer. Now apple had announced that they were going to be releasing this air power wireless charging pad, uh, early the following calendar year. It never came to fruition. They never talked about it again at any of their events throughout the year into the next year. And then we heard a little bit earlier this year that they had ended up scrapping their air power wireless charging pad due to technical issues. And they instead recommend that you buy one from a third party company.

Liam: 03:58 Um, that was mentioned in the article where they announced the cancellation or the scrapping of the air power pack. Now I did buy a couple of the third party, three item charging pads, the apple recommend. Another one thing I did like was the third party one was actually considerably less expensive than the rumors were that the air power was going to cost. The rumor was air power was going to run 179 to $199 which is not surprising because apple always charges a premium or what lot of people call apple tax. I’m in the third party one that they recommend and I can’t remember off the top of my head the name of the company that makes it uh, but anyways, uh, that one sells for $45. Now I did buy a couple of them and tried them out and they are a decent wireless charging pad for three items at once.

Liam: 04:52 But one of the things I discovered fairly early on is it didn’t do a very good job of charging the Apple Watch. The Apple Watch was extremely slow to charge on this third party air power pad, if you will. And I reached out to the company and they emailed me back and say, yes, they were aware of the issue but the Apple Watch not charging fast, a fast enough with their pad and they said, hey had an issue. It was an issue with the firmware but the firmware couldn’t be updated by the end user. So instead, uh, once they released the version 2.0 of their pad, they sent me replacement ones free of charge and I didn’t even have to ship the old ones back. So I have the old ones and the new ones because the first generation one does a great job at charging, uh, two phones at once or a phone and your airpods and the new one does work much better and much faster at charging the Apple Watch.

Liam: 05:46 I’m happy to say, so that’s an example of something that a company filed a patent for, but the product never actually came to light. Just to give you one example. So we’re being, we are being told that cannon will definitely bring IVUS to select DSLRs in the near future, but the source wasn’t sure which cameras would be getting Ibus. However, the Eos 90 d which is coming in the next couple of months would be a good bet, especially if the 90 d is in fact a replacement for both the ATD and the Ios 70 mark two, because apple has already announced that they will not make a mark three of the 70, and that really bummed out a lot of shooters because the 70 is a fantastic sports camera. It is great for shooting sports that has I think 10 frames a second, which is pretty good. Uh, so although it is a crop body, it is fast.

Liam: 06:46 Uh, it uses the same batteries as a lot of Canon’s full frame cameras, the LP six in aesics and batteries and it’s an all around really great camera. A good friend of mine, um, from the master photography podcast, uh, uses the 74 shooting high school basketball and other sports and he absolutely loves it and it is a great camera. I have several friends that own the 70 mark two and they were all upset when they heard the Canon was scrapping the 70 line and not releasing a mark three. However, the rumor is that the 90 d, which is slated to be released a little bit later on this year will in fact be a combination of the ATD, which is also a super popular crop body camera from cannon and it’ll be a replacement that combines the add and the 70 mark twos capabilities with some upgrades.

Liam: 07:43 So that’d be really great and that would make a lot of those shooters extremely happy to have a 70 mark two replacement. That’s a the best of two pro-sumer bodies at the same time. So that would be great. Now the other upcoming DSLR that could possibly be getting ibis is the eos one, dx mark three. Now, it has already been announced that a Mark’s three will be released at the tail end of this year. It’ll be announced or uh, possibly the earliest part of 2020 and the speculation is that cannon wants to get the one DX mark three to market before next summer’s Olympic Games in Tokyo. Uh, Canon and Nikon liked to make sure that they have the latest version of their flagship bodies available in time for the Olympic Games because there are a lot of pro sports shooters that cover the Olympics that shoot with the Canon and icon flagship cameras.

Liam: 08:42 Now Nikon has announced that they are releasing a d six which will probably be their last flagship DSLR and it’s speculation is that Canon’s one mark three will also be the last flagship DSLR for cannon. Now there are rumors currently that Canon is going to be releasing to professional muralist bodies. The first one is being rumored to be called the Eos are as which will be a high megapixel sensor model. There’ll be the replacement for the five d s and five d s r. And I’ve mentioned in earlier episodes, I own the five DSR with its beautiful 50 megapixel sensor and that camera takes a mazing images. I mean just off the charts. That is a fantastic camera body. I’ve never regretted for a second buying that. And I was lucky enough to get it for a steel at the time. A professional photographer who had moved to Atlanta from Chicago, uh, needed to make some money and needed to get some money.

Liam: 09:49 So he was selling it. He had it on craigslist and it was brand new in the box and the seals weren’t even broken on the box. I kid you not. And he had it listed I think for 27 or $2,800. And I’m talking, this is back when the five DSR was still selling for around four grand at any retail store. Unh Adorama, Amazon anywhere. And he had all these people, low ball and him trying to buy it off him for 1000 bucks. And when I found his listing and I hit him up, he said he still had it. I said, I’ll meet you right now with cash in hand cause I knew it was a good deal and it was a great body so I’ve never regretted buying that and if you’ve been listening to this show for some time now, you’ll know that I have speculated in several previous episodes that the first eos are pro body is going to be the five d s slash five DSR replacement because Canon has already announced that they are not going to do a mark to of those two high megapixel bodies.

Liam: 10:52 So it looks like the first pro body in the mirrorless world for Canon will be a Ios r s it’ll be the replacement for those two previously mentioned bodies that’ll have dual card slots, a high megapixel sensor, possibly 75 megapixels or maybe even a hundred and it’s going to be their first pro body. However, there are supposed, they’re rumored now to be following that up with what’s going to be known as the Eos are x and supposedly the eos are x is going to be the replacement for the One d x series. So the f one DX mark three will be the last DSLR flagship camera from cannon and the Eos are x will be their first flagship mirrorless body. So it’s very exciting. I’m looking forward to that and I’m sure it’s going to probably be a couple of years yet before that happens. A Canon does not replace their flagship body every year.

Liam: 11:53 Usually it’s every couple of years or two or three years. Um, I have the one dx mark to absolutely love it. It’s a fantastic flagship pro body with lots of frames per second for sports and a, it was a nice upgrade from the one dx original. I did not own the original. Um, but uh, mark two had a lot of upgrades from the mark one and the mark three is rumored to have quite a few upgrades from the mark to now. Man, it’s an expensive body and my one dx mark to still has a lot of life to it. I’m more than likely going to stick with that for awhile yet and maybe a couple of years down the road if the Eos rx does get released in a couple of years, probably a year or so after it gets released, I’ll go ahead and grab one of those to replace the one dx mark too, although I doubt I’ll part with my mark too. I’ll probably just keep it and have two flagship pro bodies, but we’ll see.

Liam: 12:48 Now Nikon is also rumored to be adding IVUS to their upcoming d six which will be exciting for the Nikon shooters. Left a wait and see if that does actually come to fruition, but there’s a lot of positive rumbling and rumors about it, so it’s more than likely something that is going to happen. All right. The next topic I wanted to talk to in this week’s episode is photography gear luggage. Now, I did a blog post on this on my website back in August of 2016 and I thought it was a good subject to bring up into a podcast episode. So as a professional photographer, one of the things that you will need to consider at some point in time is luggage for your photography gear. And when it comes to packing and tearing your gear, there are several ways you can do it depending on what your needs are and at any given time. Now one of the first products I wanted to mention is waste bags. Now these are small bags that you can wear around your waist, like a regular belt, but they can carry your camera and maybe one or two lenses and a couple of batteries. You can think of them as kind of like a fanny pack for your camera. Now there are several companies that make them from blow pro to Targus, and both of those are excellent companies. They make great products. I bought many products from both companies over the years.

Liam: 14:13 And these waste bags can generally range in quality and price from anywhere from 20 bucks to $100 a. Now, I generally wouldn’t recommend trusting your valuable camera gear to at $20 bag. I would probably air on the side of buying the higher priced model. That’s higher quality, but you get the general idea and again it depends on your personal needs. I mean if you’re somebody that carries around something small, lightweight and compact like an sl one, two or three, those are really small crop body, Canon body, a fairly lightweight or maybe you got an m 50 muralists a crop body. They’re fairly lightweight so you could get away with using a 20 or $30 waste back. Me Personally, I would not trust any of my gear to something that inexpensive. That’s just me, I guess. Well, probably a lot of people out there, especially when you’ve made a sizable investment in your cameras and camera bodies and lenses.

Liam: 15:10 Now the next item I want to talk about, and this is one that I’m fairly familiar with because I do own several of these and that is camera backpacks. Now these are just like they sound, you strap them onto your back and you carry your gear that way, which is great. If you’re hiking or walking around an event, they usually can hold one or two bodies and five to six lenses. And they also have compartments for batteries, uh, filters your iPad or other tablet, your laptop, whether it’s a Mac book or a PC and hoops that hold your tripod or monopod. Now many of those do have those added on, especially in the last couple of years. It’s become more and more common for these backpacks to have some sort of Velcro straps either on the side or on the bottom. It’ll allow you to strap your monopod or your tripod to them to make it much easier to carry those objects in the field.

Liam: 16:09 Now the camera backpacks can range in size from small to considerably large and are made by a wide variety of companies from low pro to Targus to canon deny icon. And there’s quite a few others. Peak design has some backpacks out there. Um, and there are some others that make some really nice high quality backpacks and they can generally range in price anywhere from 40 to $300. Now again, how much money you end up spending on it is going to not only, uh, is not only going to count towards the quality but also the capabilities of the backpack. So of course backpacks that are on the higher end of the price point spectrum are going to be higher quality. They are also going to be capable of carrying much more gear than your less expensive backpacks. Now some of the ones I have are capable of holding up to three bodies and seven or eight lenses as well as filters, batteries for your camera, the charging system for the gamma, a, your filters, your iPad, your laptop and so on and so forth.

Liam: 17:16 Um, many of them even have many of the higher end, uh, backpacks. We’ll also have compartments for your speed lights or you can just generally put the speed light in one of your lens compartments. Now, the other nice thing is with a lot of these backpacks, the compartments inside can be modified. So in other words, a lot of times the dividers for your lenses and your speed lights and stuff like that are velcro panels. They’re attached using velcro and they’re usually agreeing forest with some cardboard in the middle and a lot of and stuff like that to keep your precious gear safe. But the nice thing is is they often have velcro on one end or both ends to where you can rearrange those panels for whatever configuration you want. So if you have, let’s say a considerably large Lens, like a 100 to 400 mark two or maybe a one 50 to 600 that’s a good size lens.

Liam: 18:12 And in order to carry it in the backpack, that lens is going to take up the equivalent of three or four compartments that it would normally haul hold smaller lenses or lenses and speed lights. You can basically pull out these dividers and then re secure them in a different fashion to accommodate that larger lens without too much trouble. So that’s another positive thing, especially when you get into the more expensive backpacks. Now the third topic as far as gear luggage, the third item is roller bags. Now these are similar to suitcases that people use to travel when they fly. They hold your gear and have a telescoping handle with wheels on the bottom and you can pull them behind you, which makes it a lot more convenient. They can hold usually two to four bodies and anywhere from four to eight lenses. They have compartments for memory cards, speed lights, filters, laptops, iPads, tripods and other items and they usually have multiple pockets and compartments in varying sizes on the outside of the bag as well as on the inside.

Liam: 19:23 Now these are made by the usual camera, luggage makers such as low pro, Targus, Canon, et Cetera, and they can run in price from anywhere from a hundred to $500 depending on the size and the materials that they are made from. You can also buy special rise roller cases that will carry your studio lighting for you as well. Now, as I mentioned, these can be extremely convenient to have because you can pull it behind you just like you would a suitcase, you know. So if you’re a photographer that has to fly a lot for shoots for client shoots, you could easily pull your camera gear along behind you, um, in one bag roller bag with a telescoping handle and to have a second roller bag with a telescoping handle that of course, and as your clothing and toiletries and all that kind of stuff. And it just makes it a lot easier to get around someplace like the bustling big city airport.

Liam: 20:12 Now, just like the backpacks, usually these roller bags also have the movable dividers so you can rearrange them. So let’s say you’re gonna fly out someplace for a shoot. Let’s say you’re flying from here in Atlanta to La for a shoot with a client, and you don’t need to carry four bodies, but your bag is preconfigured, your roller bag is capable of four bodies. You can rearrange those movable dividers just like in the backpacks and set it up. Don’t only carry two bodies, which then of course would give you more room for lenses or other assessory items such as filters, jails, uh, memory cards, extra batteries, the battery chargers and so on and so forth. So these bags can be extremely handy. I’ve been thinking about picking up one myself. Uh, but again, they’re not inexpensive. Um, I’m probably just going to bite the bullet and buy one at some point really soon, um, down the road just because it would make it easier for any of the times.

Liam: 21:12 Uh, doing my real estate photography where I do end up flying a, my company has already sent me to Memphis and Jacksonville, but uh, did that by car, uh, just because it was more convenient and those were generally a last minute thing and the air for airfare would have just been ridiculously expensive, you know, buying the tickets of the last moment. Now the fourth category of gear luggage, our briefcases. Now these cases are usually made of high quality aluminum and they have foam inserts to protect your gear. The inserts can be ordered custom cut for your gear, but that generally makes those inserts a lot more expensive. Now the other option is, is getting these kind of cases where they have what’s called plucking pole foam. And basically that means that all of the foam or the, this, the major center portion of the foam in from the edges is pre perforated so that you can pluck and pull pieces out to make your own custom size pockets or your different pieces of gear.

Liam: 22:19 Now the most common maker of these cases is a company called zero Halliburton and they generally run between 200 and $800. Now I do have one of these aluminum cases, um, and I can’t remember where the heck I got it. I think that picked it up at a flea market or something like that and it doesn’t have the foam in it anymore. So I really need to, uh, get in touch with zero Halliburton and order a replacement foam inserts for it because it would be nice to be able to use it on occasion. Maybe I would just get the, I’d probably just get the pluck and pole foam, the pre perforated stuff and then just pluck it so that it will hold like my eos are and maybe two lenses and some extra batteries and stuff like that. Now the fifth and final item that I wanted to talk about in this week’s episode is the durable plastic trunk.

Liam: 23:08 Now these are usually made of high strength plastic and again have the plucking pole foam to custom cut your own compartments with your fingers. Now these are most commonly made by Pelican cases and they can range in price from 129 to $600 depending on the size. Now recently Pelicans started making a version of their trunks that had the telescoping handles and roller wheels so that you can pull it behind you instead of carrying it much like a what you need instead of having to carry it like a foot locker, uh, which would make it more like one of the roller bags. Now they also come with padlock ports on each end to help you keep your gear secure. And another interesting thing is, I don’t know how many people have these kinds of stores in their area. Um, but in a greater Atlanta area, we have a considerable number of harbor freight stores.

Liam: 24:03 Now harbor freight carries their own line of Pelican light cases that sell for considerably less expensive and they’re very good quality, although I sometimes, and it’s really weird because they’re all made by the same company, but I’ve had times where I bought these pluck and pole cases at harbor freight and one time I’ll buy one and the foam, the perforated foam just seems to be much higher quality than the next one I buy. And the weird thing is, I’ve even have had incidences where I went to harbor freight and I bought two or three of the same size case on the same day at the same store and then I’d get home and only one has really good quality plucking pull foam. And the other two had like really crappy foam. And so I’ve never understood that. The other issue with their a knock off cases and I can’t remember who they’re made by.

Liam: 24:53 Um, but the foam generally does not, is not pre glued into the case. So in other words, every time you flip up the lid, the egg carton type foam on the top that protects everything. When you close, it will fall out of the lid and then you get frustrated and you either end up gluing it in yourself or putting it in with some hook loop tape, you know, velcro tape that’s made for like fabric and stuff like that. And then you’re good to go. But now the nice thing is, is both the Pelican cases and these, uh, generic ones from harbor freight, they do all have a certain amount of water protection. Uh, they’re generally waterproof. They have a rubber seal gasket around the, you know, around the entire case on the inside so that once it’s closed, it’s watertight. And both the knockoffs and the Pelican cases do have the little air pressure valves that allow them to travel an aircraft without worrying about any air pressure issues of any kind, which is really nice.

Liam: 25:54 And like I said, I own both the Pelican brand and the harbor freight. Uh, third party knock off ones, they’re all really durable as far as the, the quality of the plastic they’re constructed from. The other issue I’ve run into on occasion with the ones I buy at harbor freight is the latches. Um, sometimes I’ll get one where the latches are like really loose, not loose in the sense that they don’t work properly. Uh, they won’t latch properly or anything like that. Uh, but what I mean when I say loose is I bought one of these cases, the harbor freight, um, that I was originally using in the back of the car to carry my standard gear for my real estate photography Gig. And the one thing that would frustrate me is every time you would go to close the lid, uh, the latches would be flopped down in the wrong position.

Liam: 26:45 So you’d have to flip them all up out of your way so that you could close the darn thing all the way. That’s what I mean by loose latches. Now on all of the Pelican ones that I owned, the actual name brand pelican cases, the latches stay in the upright position when they’re unlatched, when they’re unfastened so that when you go to close the lid there, never in your way and then you just easily with your hands just brush them and they go into their down position and then you lock them, which is really convenient. Now idea, I have only had that problem with the sloppy latches only on one out of all the ones I bought at harbor freight and we’ve probably bought a, probably a dozen or so of them, the harbor freight. And then like I said, I do have quite a few of the name brand, brand Pelican ones.

Liam: 27:27 Now. Generally what I do is I’ll buy the smaller ones, harbor freight, just cause they’re fairly inexpensive. I mean some of the smaller size pelican boxes are really expensive, which is kinda crazy. Um, so a lot of times for the smaller sizes I will buy the harbor freight, third party ones, the knockoffs or whatever you want to call them. But when I want to buy the big case, you know, the one that can hold like four bodies and seven or eight lenses plus a bunch of batteries, the chargers, filters and a whole bunch of other stuff. When I buy those really big ones, I’ll buy the actual Pelican name brand and I can’t think of the name off the top of my head, but I do have, I think two of those large cases made by another company. And I wouldn’t say they’re a third party company because it’s my understanding they’re every bit as high quality as Pelicans and they’re considered another name brand.

Liam: 28:21 But I can’t remember the name off the top of my head. I think it starts with an s a r, maybe it’s SB or something like that. Maybe it’s just initials. But anyways, they’re really good cases. So are the Pelican ones. And I first actually learned about Pelican cases when I was in the military back in the 80s, uh, because Peloton Pelican was the company that made all of these waterproof cases, um, for military equipment, especially for like our tow missile launchers and stuff like that. The anti, the anti tank weapons, they always came packed in a giant Pelican box, um, that had the precut foam inserts that would fit the tow missile system with its launchers and all that good stuff. And um, they would have the, they were weatherproof, they had the air pressure release valves on them and the padlock corners and all that good stuff.

Liam: 29:11 So that was where I got my first experience with Pelican cases and that was back before they ever started selling them. Um, on, on the civilian market, they sold them just to the military and all of the ones they sold to the military, like I said, had custom cut foam for specific types of military equipment. Now of course anytime you have to fly for issue, I would recommend going with either the, the zero Halliburton aluminum cases or the Pelican ones as they are the toughest and they can be stowed easily in the belly of the plane in cargo a, some pros prefer to carry their heavy gear in these cases and stow them in the belly of the plane, but then they prefer to carry it in their actual bodies. And lenses with them in a smaller carry on bag, like a backpack or a small roller bag.

Liam: 29:57 Um, so they can keep those items with them all the time and not risk the airline losing their deer and route to a shoe. Now of course, you know, if that did happen, you could always rent some gear in the area where you’re doing the shoot, hopefully if there’s a local vendor, but it just be a lot of hassle to lose your expensive camera body and lenses that you absolutely gotta have for that shoot. Now it might be more cost effective and more easy to find somebody locally that you could rent lights from if your lights got lost. You know, the bestowed in the belly of the plane. But I personally definitely would not want to let my camera bodies and lenses, um, sit in the belly of the plane just because there’s been so many horror stories that I’ve heard over the years about airlines losing luggage.

Liam: 30:40 So I would definitely be one of those pros that would keep my camera bodies and my lenses with me as carry on and then let my light stands and lights and all that stuff go into the belly of the plane in one of the large Pelican cases. Now I, like I said, I do have a few of the large ones and I do specifically have one that carries my a policy buff Digi bees. I have three of the Digi bees and all of their assessors and stuff like that. And I do have those packed in a actual name brand, large Pelican case and it’s got the telescoping handle in the wheels so you can pull it along behind you instead of having to constantly carry it in your hands like a footlocker. So there you have it. Um, that is more information on photography gear.

Liam: 31:25 I will put a link to the original blog post, um, uh, on my photography site. I’ll put that in the show notes as well as the link, uh, to Gannon on the Ibus that I talked about possibly coming and select Canon DSLRs in the near future and as always I want to thank all my listeners again for subscribing, rating and reviewing the show and iTunes and anywhere else you might be listening to it and also be sure to check out the Liam photography podcast Facebook group. You can find us on Facebook. You do have two. It is a closed group so you do have to answer one question that going the group and that question is to, you have to give the name of the host of the show, which is myself. You can put Liam or you can put Liam Douglas, either one. We’ll have you in like Flynn and then you went, you’re in the group.

Liam: 32:13 You are free to share your own original work. Now, as I’ve mentioned in previous episodes and so far we’ve had no problems with it. Please do not share other people’s work in the podcasts Facebook group page or you will be banned. I don’t care if you have the photographer’s permission, do not share other people’s work into the group. You’re allowed to upload five photos every 24 hours in the Facebook group page. You can spread it out and release one every few hours throughout the day. Or you can do all five at once to let Facebook make a little slideshow for it. That’s perfectly fine. All I ask is that you only share your own original work and if you want to receive critiques on your work, you can put cc please in your post and one of us will be happy to give you some creative criticism and pointers on your work and areas where you might be able to improve your work.

Liam: 33:09 And we try to keep that as civil and polite as possible. I know some photography groups on Facebook, they have different levels of creative Katrina and like level four is like, uh, treat me like dirt, but I think that’s a little bit retarded. Um, so let’s just stick with standard cc, creative criticism and uh, we’ll go with that and we’ll stick with that. And of course the reason why the group has the c, the question before you can join is to keep down the bots and spammers cause nobody likes those in a Facebook group. They make make it less fun for everybody. All right. I want to thank you again for listening to episode 29 the Liam photography podcast and I will see you again next week in episode 30

Episode 28: ElleyCat Returns to the Show!!!

In this episode Professional Model ElleyCat returns to the show to talk about her recent projects and her work as a Professional Geologist and her upcoming role in a feature film!

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Liam: 00:00:00 You’re listening to the Liam photography podcast. I’m your host Liam Douglas, and this is episode 28 and and this week’s episode is, I had posted a last week in the podcast Facebook group. We are being rejoined by professional model Ellie cat and who was a wonderful lady and a, she’s not like a professional model, but she’s also a professional geologist, so I wanted to have her back on the show because she’s been super popular. Her episode is one of the most popular ones, hands down, and I wanted to have her back on the show to talk a bit more about some of her recent modeling projects as well as a her work as a professional geologists. So we will be back in just a moment with episode 28

Liam: 00:01:04 Welcome back. You’re listening to the Liam photography podcast. I’m your host leading Douglass and this is episode 28 today is July 11th, 2019 and on the phone with me today, I have professional model, Ellie cat who is back for her second appearance on the show. Hello Ellie. How are you?

ElleyCat: 00:01:25 I’m doing well. How are you?

Liam: 00:01:26 I’m fantastic and I am so, so happy to see that you’ve been working on so many wonderful modeling projects a over the last few months since we spoke the first time on the show. And I’m really happy that you’re being, your modeling career has really taken off and you’re getting to be really, really successful. And I wanted to talk to you about some of these new projects, um, in this second interview with you as well as your work as a professional geologist. Because if my listeners don’t already know from the last episode, Elliot is not only a very beautiful professional model, but she is a very intelligent woman as well. And she works full time as a geologist. Oh, you’re most welcome. I’m so one of the, uh, recent projects that you did as I talked to you about before we started the show that I was really, really blown away by was a shoot that you did.

Liam: 00:02:16 And I can’t remember if it had a specific theme that probably did and I’m an idiot for not remembering, but it was the one that you actually shot utilizing someone swimming bull. And I was blown away when I saw that you mentioned, you know, you think the person who owned the pool that you guys used for the shoe, because with the large rocks in the background and everything, I thought it looked like it was a location shoot that was known some place like Hawaii or something like that. So can you share a little bit more about that shoot with us and for the listeners?

ElleyCat: 00:02:45 Yeah.

Liam: 00:02:45 For the listeners, I’ll put a link to the, uh, to her post with the photo a in the show notes so you guys can check it out. But go ahead and fill us in on how that one came about.

ElleyCat: 00:02:56 Yeah, you bet. So that, um, I did with David Hubbard. Um, he works with, uh, his company, reality reimagined, and he has a lot of like graphic artwork with his pictures and he’s trying to get more into the side of, you know, doing more, uh, I would say more high fashioned and commercial and you know, the portrait, the word instead of not, you know, not using so much theatrical with the shot, even though I would love to do, I know the shoot was going to do that regardless. He’s like, Hey, do you, uh, do you want to shoot? And you know, I’m, I’m would love to shoot you in a pool or a bathing suit. You don’t get that time a year or I’m outside. And I was like, yeah, actually I feel cool. And he’s all, oh, that’s awesome. Cool. So I sent him an address and a picture and he like, you are kidding me, right?

ElleyCat: 00:03:52 It’s like, no, this is the place. It’s amazing. I said, I found it through James Azur because I had a, um, some place canceled on me and I hit up James and I was like, Hey, I do want to do a, like a pool shoot bathing suit, shoot, that kind of thing. And he’s like, yeah, actually that’d be great. And he will do the pools. I’m like, no I don’t. So he put like this all call on Facebook and they, hey, longer than I need a pools. Does anybody have a pool? They could run us through the weekend. And Helen got on there and she’s like, yeah, I do. Um, so we, you know, we’ve got snap, the address and the picture of the pool and we’re like, wow, I hope it looks like that picture. And we get there. And in gigantic, I mean it has a full driving door and a waterfall.

ElleyCat: 00:04:39 It’s like, well what is it deep in? And you know, like three and a half, it’s a shallow in and it looks like something out of a hotel or resort or story book. It was awesome. So I did a shoot with that there and I was like, this turned out great. Really cool. And we’ll go back to those pictures in a minute. But David Bird was, you know, he didn’t, hadn’t seen the pictures yet really, because I didn’t take any of this background when he gets there and he’s like, oh my gosh, she’s all, this’ll never work. He’s all lie. Did you show me this dress doping the entire time? He’s all, this is the most beautiful site ever. And it was awesome because when I first showed up, there was a formal model and she’s all, I know how hard it is for model to find locations to find privacy, to find good places to suit that are comfortable and she’s all, you guys can come back anytime.

ElleyCat: 00:05:36 And so I a text her, I was like, hey you, we could use your pools. You might have me in a couple of the models and a cryptographer show up. She’s all, well actually we’re going to be gone. And I was like, oh, that sucks. She’s on. No, it’s okay. She’s all just so my house sitter that you’re going to be there for a photo shoot and I’ll give you the app for the pool so that you can be sure to turn on the fool cause it’s all done with the app. I was blown away that you could a waterfall and a half. Little did I know.

Liam: 00:06:03 Holy Cow.

ElleyCat: 00:06:03 We had an amazing day that day. The pictures that came out of it and blew my mind away. David is a fantastic photographer, loved working with him. Um, and you’ll make me feel really comfortable. Total goofball. We had the same dry humor personality. So we get along great and I, my boyfriend was there to help like fold lighting and help him with reflectors and all that. But he’s super grateful and I the, I couldn’t believe that like somebody had that in their backyard and that they offered it up to us to use as you just target something like that awesome woman. And you know, thank God for her and her husband to be so generous to actually allow people use their, their home. Well I was, I’ll be eternally grateful. And I honestly, I hope he’s a pool again because it was awesome.

Liam: 00:06:57 Yeah. I mean that thing is just amazing. I mean, like you were saying a moment ago and I mentioned her about, you know, I thought maybe you guys shot it on location in Hawaii or something because I mean, the l all the stuff that you don’t own the background with the rocks and you send it out a waterfall and everything, it’s like something you would find at a resort in Fiji or something. I mean, that’s crazy. Wow.

ElleyCat: 00:07:19 Exactly.

Liam: 00:07:21 And so it was one of these photos that got the cover, um, for, uh, expressions magazine cover from the looks of it. That’s the same point.

ElleyCat: 00:07:30 Yeah. Yeah. Thanks.

Liam: 00:07:35 And then I scroll down on your modeling page on Facebook and it looks like, um, possibly the shot that was used by bomber eyewear was also shot at that same pool. Is that correct or is that a different area?

ElleyCat: 00:07:49 Nope, that’s the same pool. I was kind of rolling a man, right? Like, you know, um, yeah, I’m actually, I’m in Pasadena for a bomber eyewear. They are pretty cool people. I’m not there yet. Me Poke around Parker, Arizona and they were there as all my sunglasses and uh, me and my glasses out in the water. I was like, uh, nope. I don’t wanna lose them. They’re like, well you should get these sunglasses at me. This guy did. I was like, and they started to float and I was like, that is the coolest thing ever. Because when you’re on standup jet ski, like the old school ones. Yeah. Uh, if you fall, whatever’s on the creek, right. Nice out. Like my boyfriend fell a couple of times, lost his glasses. They were floating right there. He grabbed them and went off. I was like, these are phenomenon for playing around and they’re like super lightweight and comfy and so I was super excited and they hit me up cause they like my pictures. They really appreciated me posting about them. So, you know, they sent me a couple of PR packages which I’ve been really grateful for. And so I’m hoping to, you know, maybe they’ll want some of my pictures that are website or some kind of bullet support sort of thing. So I’m excited about that.

Liam: 00:09:12 Yeah. Cause it looks like the uh, the shot that um, that I see on your modeling page, they actually used it on their official Instagram account, which is really, yeah, that’s awesome. And I thought it was the same pool cause I thought the rocks looked the same in the background, although the angle is different. And the only other, the only other thing that was different is that you were wearing a different swimsuit, um, for the magazine cover versus the bomber, the one that bomber eyewear used. But I was like, yeah, I think that’s the same, the same shoot at the same, really that’s like a lifestyles of the rich and famous swimming hole.

ElleyCat: 00:09:48 Right. It’s awesome.

Liam: 00:09:49 Was like something you’d see on lifestyles of the rich and famous and I’m like, ah, waterfalls and rocks in the background and all kinds of cool stuff. It’s just really neat. But yeah, I mean, like I said, I’ve been watching you, you know, your, your Facebook page and your posts and you even post in the, in the photography podcast group, which I really appreciate because I mean, you’ve been doing some really, really cool stuff. And, uh, another one, another one that I really love and you did this one. Uh, let’s see, this one I think with Dave Kelly studio and that’s the one with the, like, it’s like a post-apocalyptic scene and it has like the head of the Statue of Liberty behind you. And uh, that one, that one is really cool.

ElleyCat: 00:10:34 Start with a new photographer. Um, oh and I feel bad. I forgot. And it was that day he made some really cool theme armor and so he let us form his armor and he goes a couple shots to me and then, you know, imposed the statue of liberty and the Zack ground, like, um, from planning the apes and stuff like that. So. Well, I thought that was pretty cool.

Liam: 00:11:03 Oh yeah, absolutely. That’s very cool. I love that one. And Yeah, just like you said, it was very planted in the apes, uh, style. I even see somebody commented, planted [inaudible] at Charleston Heston who’s got nothing on this image. That’s fantastic.

ElleyCat: 00:11:18 Yeah.

Liam: 00:11:21 Yup. Yeah, that’s really, really awesome. I mean, you’ve been doing some really phenomenal stuff. Now I know when we talked the last time, um, you were talking about possibly doing some jobs with some photographers out in California. Have you made it out there, you add or,

ElleyCat: 00:11:36 um, I haven’t actually, but things have been kind of [inaudible] in that nature as that I’ve really been asking myself, you know, where do I want to go with modeling and what I want to do and sure, I have this dream to be as low, but I don’t know if that’ll ever happen or, you know, sports illustrated swimsuit edition. But one thing that like I’ve always been passionate about and how I honestly, it probably helped me get into modeling more than anything else was I was in a lot of plays as a kid and I loved being in the theater and then as a team, young adults, you know, I still continued in place and so there’s been a couple of doors opening up lately for me to hopefully get into some film. Okay. And so I guess the question that I was asking myself is, you know, if I’m, you know, going in on this and what am I doing and where are my goals?

ElleyCat: 00:12:32 And you know, what is my not long term reach? And you know, the, the answer that keeps coming to my head is that I want to be an actress. I know that, that, you know, might sound stereotypical or Corny, but it’s the truth. It’s between modeling and acting and being in that realm of everything. Literally all I can think about, I dream about it, a daydream about it. [inaudible] the only thing that’s on my mind is I can see myself in that area. And so, um, a friend of mine that I went to college with or has a, or had a Kickstarter program that was up and going and I was like, this is really cool, you know, he sent me an email from me, you know, if you have any things you could help out to be cool. And so I was like, you know, I’ll, I’ll see what I can do to like, you know, help him because, um, I’ve been following his work and his girlfriend’s work for a little while where I’d say the past five years, not that I talked, but you know, they have some cool [inaudible].

ElleyCat: 00:13:36 And I was like, you know, I’ve, I know what it’s like to have a dream and to have somebody help you with your dreams. And I was like, I’m fine. Was, you know, trying to help them as best I can with him. And, um, after doing that, you know, he’s, uh, offered me a part in here is a feature films that he wrote for his Kickstarter program or Kickstarter future. I’m not exactly sure what that’s called. I might be butchering your right now. That’s so cool. If they start filming in August and I have a small role, um, but it’s, you know, it’s a cameo basically with the [inaudible] and um, the, oh my gosh, I completely lost track what I was thinking about that. So, um, um, the movie is called, it’s a what’s on the inside and uh, it’s going to be a full length feature film, but I’m really excited to be a part of Eddie’s dream I think will be awesome. And so I’ve been practicing my lines and I just actually today send him over a little demo of me reading my lines one to camera. So I probably, you know, look like an airhead reacting to somebody who just wanted to get in left field for, you know, how I’m seeing the characters at the moment. And I’m really super excited about that. I’m just so, so, so,

Liam: 00:15:07 oh yeah, that’s a yeah, I saw your, I saw your post about it from his Kickstarter campaign and I thought that it was really cool. Now is this, this doesn’t tie it back to you cause I saw you posted, um, not too long ago. A link to, I believe you have your own imdv page.

ElleyCat: 00:15:27 Yeah, I do. And that was for previous songs I’ve been in.

Liam: 00:15:30 Really? That was so cool.

ElleyCat: 00:15:32 Yes. Right. I actually kind of came across it by accident. I was like, Hey, you know what, I’m going to Google myself and see what happens with, everybody always says it’s a bad idea, but occasionally, you know, you’re like, well let’s just find out. So I saw something that looked like my name but like the name was Michelle and I was like, that’s not me. And so I get on, I was like, holy crap, it is just, my name was spelled wrong. And so I got ahold of them via their links to like fix errors on pages and I had to like verify pretty much it was myself through uh, different websites and my social media accounts so they could see that it was actually me and I let them know, you know, it’s so they kind of collaborated, you know, three films that I had been in, but like it was already there. I was just kind of blown away. I was like, this is so cool. So I’ve, I was super excited about it. You know, it’s, it’s a small goal. Um, you know, not too many people might care about that kind of thing, but I thought it was a cool accomplish.

Liam: 00:16:37 Yeah. I think it was totally cool. I was blown away when I saw you post the link to your imdv profile. I was like, that is so freaking cool. I didn’t, you know, I didn’t know you tagged me. I didn’t know you’d had any parts in films before and I thought that was really awesome. And they hands down, I don’t know if you put them on there yourself, but they have some absolutely fantastic shots of you on your profile page. The first one that comes up. Yeah. It looks like the first [inaudible]. Yup.

ElleyCat: 00:17:08 Yeah.

Liam: 00:17:10 And then they got the one where you had the makeup on from, uh, Mad Max fury road, which I totally love it. I love that shoot that you guys did. That was just totally awesome.

ElleyCat: 00:17:22 Yes, I did see, I liked it. A lot of fun.

Liam: 00:17:24 Yeah. So, so basically this project that you’re working with, this gentleman on now from his Kickstarter campaign is technically going to be your fourth film, Huh?

ElleyCat: 00:17:34 Yes. Well actually no, it’ll be like my sick. They weren’t, they weren’t really accredited. They’re all basically indie films except for conversations with God was um, an actual a feature. So, but all the other ones I’ve been in pretty much, I’ve had all different roles and now, uh, I couldn’t find the other two but I know they’re out there somewhere. And so one of the cameras in more ways than one for, I dunno, the majority of my adult life.

Liam: 00:18:11 That’s so cool though. Yeah. Because like I said, you know, I didn’t know that you had any acting credits under your belt until you shared that on a, on Facebook. And I saw that and I was like that is so awesome. Actually know

ElleyCat: 00:18:25 not at all left.

Liam: 00:18:27 No, no we didn’t. Yeah cause I didn’t know anything about it. Like well I don’t even know if you had found your, your imdv profile when we talked last time. Cause I remember you just posted this link not too long ago. At least that was the first time I saw it.

ElleyCat: 00:18:40 I didn’t know it even existed.

Liam: 00:18:41 Yeah, I think I saw it when you first posted it on Facebook and I clicked out. I was like, that is so cool!

ElleyCat: 00:18:49 Excellent.

Liam: 00:18:51 Yeah, I’m just, I’m really excited for you. I think it’s fantastic that you’re, you got all of these things going on and hey, you know, if you want to, you know, start at your transition from just modeling to modeling and acting. I don’t think there’s anything silly about that. I think it’s a, it’s always good to have dreams that you want to shoot for. And for you, I mean, you’ve already got some movie credits to your name, so why not go for it full time, you know, work your way up and next thing you know, you’ll be getting $50 million per film. Yeah. And the getting the mid money.

ElleyCat: 00:19:28 Yup, Yup.

Liam: 00:19:29 Yeah. We’ll do a couple of films basically that you’d be basically retired. You’d just do a couple of movies a year and a few magazine covers. Then you’re just a, a kick back a year, $35 million reaction.

ElleyCat: 00:19:44 Okay.

Liam: 00:19:45 Hey, there’s nothing wrong with that. I think that’s totally, totally cool. I’m so happy for you. I’m just glad. I mean, I’m really glad that a lot of this stuff is just coming together for you. I think it’s fantastic

ElleyCat: 00:20:01 and I guess that’s a way of housing, but things come in waves, right? Pardon? I would say not horrible pain, but this all direct because of um, you know, kind of where I work. Um, a lot of personal issues and stuff like that. I mean all of last year was really detrimental to my health and, but yet I still kept going with all my modeling stuff and then it kind of seems like that’s tapering off that needs. The bad stuff is, and I have this kind of flow of people that want to work with me and you know, good people. And so I really narrowing down like the people that I absolutely love working with. And I not to say that I don’t, you know, introduce new people in for that group, but you know, I do it more cautiously and you know, just kind of that not only do protect my phone for you, you know, protect my brand is so to speak so that it isn’t, you don’t necessarily get partners, you know, bad photographers and that kind of thing. I’ve had my fair share of those.

Liam: 00:21:14 Yeah, I can imagine.

ElleyCat: 00:21:16 Well for the most part, I mean I go do sessions with photographers on how they, they constantly call me back and it’s the, you know, it’s a matter of reputation and how you present yourself and your manner of war and your attitude and you know, how prompt you are and if you’re on time and if you’re, you know, sober when you show up with boy, there’s been some crazy models, stuff that you’re already, that I’m just like, you’re a model, you’re either high as a kite or you’re drunk off your butt. And I neither one of those are cool to show up to a photo shoot too.

Liam: 00:21:50 Yeah. Yeah. That would definitely not be a good thing. Yeah. I mean, I’m just going down your modeling Facebook page and you’ve had some very awesome projects that you’ve done lately. I mean, some really awesome, I don’t have my favorites. I think it was titled Water Siren. That one looks. You look so cool in that shot where you’re in the water. I know. It looks so cool. Your eyes are just mesmerizing in that shot. I love that. I don’t know what they did, but it looks really good. It does.

ElleyCat: 00:22:23 I don’t know. I almost want to say that I think they played a lot with the reflection of the water and tried to put that into my eyes.

Liam: 00:22:30 Yeah, possibly.

ElleyCat: 00:22:32 Yeah. But, um, [inaudible] did a really good job, so that part was pretty cool.

Liam: 00:22:40 Yeah. I mean, I mean those, the, whatever they did to your eyes that made it, makes them look really cool. It really sets off the whole mood for that shoe or that scene. Yeah. That’s really cool. And you’re going to Billy’s,

ElleyCat: 00:22:54 yeah, I’m going to believe I leave tomorrow actually. And it’s honestly it’s my nearly vacation, but I am hoping to get a couple of different photo shoots and while I’m there, um, I’ll be doing a little bit of almost story selfie sort of, um, behind the scenes stuff or the groups that I’m the ambassador for. So I’m bringing a couple of those items with me so that I can kind of show them off on the beach. But I am hoping to getting a couple, a really cool bathing suit shots while in there. But the primary goal is to relax and go scuba diving, see the fish and the coral and all that kind of stuff.

Liam: 00:23:35 Oh, there’s nothing wrong with that. It sounds like definitely be a nice vacation. Give me a little bit of time to unwind and recharge your batteries.

ElleyCat: 00:23:44 Yeah. Got Massive burnout at work.

Liam: 00:23:47 Oh yeah, I can imagine. Cause I mean, you know, like I said, uh, you know, earlier, I mean, you work full time as a geologist and you’re, I mean, good guy. You’re doing so many shoots on the weekends with the modeling, that’s pretty much basically you’re working two full time jobs at this point. I mean you’re, you’re just busy, busy all the time.

ElleyCat: 00:24:05 Say that I don’t have weekends to myself right now. I’m either working and I work a 40 hour plus week. Um, I worked for 10 days or four, 10 hour days, excuse me. And uh, and then as the rotating, you know, weekends off schedule with on call duty. And right now I’m the hydrology project manager for the deepening and de-watering program. So I think seeing the pilot holes where we build in based on our water in the tent based on structures, um, I determined where wells are going to be based on prove this pilot folds depending on how many gps they have once they’re drilled. And that also includes installing any instrumentation so that we can actually monitor either rock movement of structure, movement, water pressure and head in the actual pilot hole and see if it’s going to be a viable source for a well seawater, the slope so that we don’t have the poor pressure fit.

ElleyCat: 00:25:16 Okay. Because the slips of sales, um, a lot of people know about being in Canyon in Utah and there was a giant float failure there. Well, we have radar units that monitor our slope walls so they can tell us within fractions of an inch what moving and wear at all times. So the people in BM Canyon were lucky. They had a good float monitoring team and they were able to get everybody out of the area before this massive failure happened. And so with pis that have less competent rock, kind of like the pit does where I work, we have to be very diligent on making sure that we’d do water to float. And so finding our water columns and, uh, compartments is a crucial step of making sure that we’re putting in kind of holes in wells in the riot area.

Liam: 00:26:09 Wow. See, and for my listeners out there, I told you guys she was not only beautiful, but she was really smart too. That is so cool. I mean, you’re just a wow. You’re incredible. You, I mean, you, you’re doing the scientific stuff and the modeling and the acting, you’re just going in three different directions at once, my friend. But I, I’m really do,

ElleyCat: 00:26:32 I, I have a m on my youtube, I have a little part this about me, about information, about me and just kind of a couple of short about what I do or have done and stuff like that. And some people might say think that it sounds arrogant or whatnot, but everything that I set my heart to do, I figured out how to do it. And so I’ve never come up against something that I can’t figure out how to see or make happen. And it have a huge drive and passion just to follow my dreams and whatever that made me, I mean, you know, tomorrow I wanted to learn how to go deep sea fishing. I mean, I would figure out how to do it with some help, but I would do it, you know, I was in my little profile. You don’t just talk about the stuff I’ve done and I’m very proud that I am extremely tenacious or, and you know, I’m, I was the first person in my family to go out and decide to get a college degree.

ElleyCat: 00:27:35 Um, know nothing bad about my parents or anything. They are, they’re both extremely hardworking. Who would call them folks. And my dad was a construction foreman. California is a general contractor and you know, my mom has rescued and raised exotic animals as long as I can remember. And so they are extremely hard working people and they were very, very well not only grateful, I guess that, you know, I was able to bring them such pride, but they were Oh, extremely proud of me that I went out and got my degree so that I could do something that would sustain me so that I could have the themes to hopefully follow migraines. And that’s basically what I’m doing right now.

Liam: 00:28:21 Absolutely. And there’s absolutely nothing wrong with that. And my story is pretty much the same as yours from that aspect. You know, my parents were very hardworking. Uh, my dad was a plant man manager for a silo company. And there many of my listeners that don’t know yes, there, their company actually built the cinderblock silos on farms that the farmers would store their grain and stuff in. And he did that for a long time and he drove tractor trailer and, and uh, my mom, uh, my mom worked at a place called Martha Lloyd, which is a school for mentally handicapped women, um, in my hometown and it’s actually the premier facility of its kind in the world. And now I was the first one in my family to go to college and got my first college degree. And earlier I graduated in 2000 when my computer science degree. And then I’ve gone back and got a second computer science degree and now I’ve gotten two degrees in photography. So I’ve got four of them now.

ElleyCat: 00:29:19 Good job.

Liam: 00:29:22 I’ve always been the kind of person that enjoyed school. I just always loved school. I was an overachiever in high school. Um, when I, when I graduated back in those days, I’m old as hell now. Uh, pardon my French. But, uh, we had to have 21 credits to graduate. I had 34 and a half. When I finished senior year, I still hold the score for the most credits obtained by a graduating senior. And, um, and m I’ve graduated each time I got a college degree. I graduated summa cum loudly. So I’ve done really well for myself. Yeah. And well, the thing is I’m like way over the top as far as the nerd is concerned. I’m not like in nerd or a geek. I’m like an Uber mega super nerd. So, and I was telling, I was telling one of my friends this not too long ago, I said, you know, when I was getting my first computer science degree, my best friend in college at the time was a guy named Chris row and he was ultra liberal.

Liam: 00:30:21 I’m ultra conservative. So we just agreed not to talk about politics and we were together and we got along great. And uh, he would get so mad at me because he had to study his tail off for, you know, any kind of major exams or midterms or finals. And I swear to God, I could literally sleep in a class all the entire term and take a final exam and get a hundred on it and not even be conscious. Yeah. Yeah. And my friend Chris hated me for it. He’s like, I’ve got to study my butt off. And you sleep in glass all day everyday. You take no notes, you don’t study at all and you get 100% on a final exam. I hate you.

ElleyCat: 00:31:03 Yeah, I’d say so. I wasn’t quite that bad of like I had to take every note and I had to be at every class or real books or whatever, like, and I kind of almost was considered a joke at this point, but I, I read very few college books all the way through. Then I wasn’t interested in like I would pay 50 to the class, the teacher understand what was going on and be able to apply that to the test. But I always took, I would say really good notes. And then I was overly active in the lab, right?

Liam: 00:31:39 Oh yeah.

ElleyCat: 00:31:39 But I always had to study, but I was worth the cram last minute sort of study. I was like, Oh yeah, I’ve testified, I’ve got to study. And then I go in and I, you know, I do fairly well. Um, I, I graduated on the Dean’s list so I was thrilled with that and completed my four year degree in three and a half years. I was bounded, determined like I was taking 20 credits a semester and taking summer school, um, for two summers. So the other two I was in field camp and doing all kinds of stuff. But yeah I was, it was crazy and I was thrilled for that. But yeah I was nowhere like you where you can just go, Oh God this the school, I didn’t get 100% on a test. I needed people like that half the crap out of home.

Liam: 00:32:26 Well when I, it was funny cause when I was getting my first computer science degree, one of the, what I call bs classes, cause they weren’t part of your major, they were, you know, the stupid stack, the stupid filler classes you had take to round out your degree. Um, so one of the, yeah, one of the classes I had to take was an introduction on Microsoft office and I told my professor the first day of class, I said, no offense man. But uh, I’ve been an I doing it for awhile now. So to me your class is a retards guide to Microsoft office because I guarantee I already know more about Microsoft office and then you do. And she didn’t believe me. And I slept all day everyday in her class five days a week. And when it came time for our final exam, I sat in the front of the room. By the time she reached the back of the room, passing out the final exams, I already finished mine and put it on her desk and walked out of the room. And then I saw her,

ElleyCat: 00:33:22 I thought she hated it.

Liam: 00:33:23 Oh yeah, I saw her later on that day in the hallway. And I said, so how’d I do on your Microsoft office? Final exam? She goes, you get a hundred percent smart ass. I told you on the first day your class for me was the retards guy in the office. Yeah, that’s awesome. But I had a lot of fun at Wa. And the thing was is when I went to school and got my very first degree, it was actually technically two degrees in one cause I was a double major, I was a computer science, um, with a major component being programming languages. And then my second major was in accounting. So because a lot of the are nerd. Yeah. So while a lot of the stuff that I did on the computer science side was programming and I did the visual while actually the precursor to that, it was visual studio six at the time, I believe. Um, so I was doing a lot of the programming for windows specific languages, visual basic and stuff like that. But then the other half of my programming curriculum was programming on IBM s 400 mainframes, which were used for payroll by all the huge corporations like IBM and HP and GE and GM and Chrysler and Ford and coke and Pepsi and all those companies.

Liam: 00:34:45 Oh, Yup. So,

ElleyCat: 00:34:49 oh, lot of python scripting or thing.

Liam: 00:34:52 Now back in those days, python didn’t even exist yet. Yeah, python was still [inaudible].

ElleyCat: 00:34:56 Well, see, there you go.

Liam: 00:34:57 Yeah. Pi’s on an even been thought of back in those days I was programming and all the Microsoft studios languages, which would be visual, basic visual, Java, visual C, I’m straight C plus Plus Java script. And then on the, on the IBM side, it was the IBM ASMR 400. So I had to know IBM ASMR, 400 systems and operations and then an I also programmed in RPG and cobol. So you’re talking hardcore programming languages?

ElleyCat: 00:35:31 My Gosh. Yeah. Okay. Well that’s when the computers were the size of the house.

Liam: 00:35:37 Hey, I’m not quite

ElleyCat: 00:35:38 that old. No, not quite that old, but uh, but I enjoyed it. I mean I had a lot of fun. And to give you an idea of how bad of a nerd I am for my final project in my RPG class, we had to, we had to follow a specific guidelines or final project had to contain so many records. Um, so many queries, so many calculations, so many loops and all these others sub you know, algorithms. And you had to have all of this, had to be in your final program project, you know, in order to finish your final project for your final grade. And so I decided to get creative and since I am a mega nerd, I decided to do my final project on how long it would take a United Federation of Planets starship to travel from the earth to Alpha Centauri at various work speeds. So I, yeah, I tied my computer programming habits in my star trek lobe and don’t end up one big thing for my final project. And I love doing that. It was such a blast. Well, I hope you had a perspective that appreciated that.

Liam: 00:36:48 Yeah, well he had an actually we got in a fight and that almost came to blows because, and I loved my professor that I had for that class. His name was Mr Spanier. And um, he had been a programmer. He’d done the payroll, uh, programming for the Ford Motor Company for a long time before he became a professor. And, um, I turned in my final project and my project was flawless. My code was perfect. I had all the rigs I had more than the requirements. I had way more records than 25 way more calculations than a minimum. So on any gives me back, my graded project gives me a 98. And I’m like, what the hell is with the 98? Well, it’s always been my policy, no matter how good somebody’s project is, nobody deserves a hundred. Oh, I was ready to knock him out right there. I was furious,

ElleyCat: 00:37:39 man. I don’t want it to kill him.

Liam: 00:37:41 Oh yeah. I was not a happy camper. I’d almost decked him over that and I really liked him as a professor. But yeah, that really pissed me off because I worked hard on that project and put in a lot of hours writing all the, all of the different arrays and the record queries and the calculations and all of that. And then it gives me a 98% instead of a hundred when I easily had a perfect score and a as, yes, we almost, we almost came to blows over that, but I still had a lot, I had a lot of fun doing it.

ElleyCat: 00:38:16 I’ll bet you did. Um, I had a professor in I metrology class who’s was actually my advisor as well. And metrology is where you look at minerals in fin section and you see them polarized and on polarized and you, you look at a lot under a microscope and figure out, you know, what’s going on, their habits or structure, what there are some will dissolve, that kind of thing. Uh, so he gave us a free range for our last topic and Ted, um, to write about whenever we want to do. All right. Have been a minimum of so many pages on the words. And so I had decided, I think two topics. Um, I picked felsic minerals and I picked a darn it and their habits than corporations and that kind of thing. And so I turned in my paper along with my actual colony exam or viewing the murals under a microscope and identifying them without, you know, with no help basically. And Wow, you gave me my test back with everybody else. And it was the first final in college where I got 110% on the final exam. And I was like, are you serious?

Liam: 00:39:37 Right. It’s cool.

ElleyCat: 00:39:38 Well, no, you, you did a fantastic job. You, you know, Blah Blah, blah. I was like, how could there be possibly you got everything. Exactly correct. You know, from your classmates. I was like, yes. Oh boy. And I rub that in a couple of people’s faces.

Liam: 00:39:53 I don’t blame you. I would have to. Yeah. See you were, you were an overachiever like me.

ElleyCat: 00:39:59 Well, I, I find in some classes especially like core classy.

Liam: 00:40:03 Oh yeah.

ElleyCat: 00:40:06 Oh, economics, theology, you know, an emphasis on economics. And so yeah, in my four classes I was definitely an overachiever. Like I’m one of those people that would go back to field camp and you know, for any geologists that would ever be listening to this, if you love your field camp, you know when I’m talking about, it’s your first chance to actually go out in the field, apply all your, you learned about geology and put them on a map, put them in note, write papers about it, and then turn them in and you’re out in the field all day. It’s what’s during hot because you, they throw you in, you know, some godforsaken place in the middle of summer and it’s usually a hundred plus degrees outside and you’re like, all dogs water today. I haven’t peas yet. I’m starving and I still have to finish this whole paper. And you just, you figure it out with as many sunburn by. I’m go back and do it again.

Liam: 00:41:09 That’s great. Oh yeah.

ElleyCat: 00:41:12 I mean I’m, I’m like the biggest rock cow nerd. If it’s out there or if there were an area, oh yeah, I found this area, I’ll find it.

Liam: 00:41:22 Yeah,

ElleyCat: 00:41:22 you’ve got the regent collected at rocks. It’s kind of prophetic. I’ve got, um, drawn boxes, which hold our, um, our calling card, like that drill bit that we use to drill our black holes for the weekend. They’ll blow up the ground and there was a knock out. But the boxes are wooden. The drill deck, they’re usually around 200 pounds a piece and 300 boxes can. And I’ve got like seven boxes that are completely full rock. And my boyfriend’s helped me move them twice now and he’s like, so next time we move are you gonna like get rid of them or you’re lugging around with water on your home?

Liam: 00:42:05 Yeah, that’s when you’re telling now I get a few more movie roles and we’ll have enough money. I can hire people to come in and move them for us. Hell yeah. We gonna get a moving company, send out some guys and give them a hernia. Moving your rock collections.

ElleyCat: 00:42:20 That’s right. They better know how to lift from the knees.

Liam: 00:42:24 That’s right. Oh my goodness. That’s so funny. But yeah, I was like, when your, your uh, final that you got 110% ROI on that. I was like that and especially with some of my programming languages and one of my favorites was visual basic. And for that class we had a textbook that had programming exercises in the back of each chapter. It was 32 chapters long and in order to finish the class we only had to do the first 16 chapters in the book and from each chapter, each chapter had, I think it was 20 or 30 programs that you could do and you only had to do six from each chapter to finish the course. And, and you know, in visual basic to finish that course. And I, I was so gung Ho, I did all 32 chapters in the book, every programming project at the back of every chapter.

Liam: 00:43:18 And it was so funny because I remember the professor, not cam for the life of me and remember his name now, but he was such a nice guy and he came around to talk to each of the students the day before our final exam. And he comes to my desk and says, Bill, um, cause back then I went by the nickname bill instead of William. And now I usually am because of my photography business. But uh, he said, Bill, um, you’ve actually done so much work in this class. You could take an absolute zero on your final and you would still finish this class with a 4.0 and I said, really? I said, that’s cool. And then I came in the next day, took my flight. Well anyway, he’s got 100% on that. So yeah, I ended up finishing his class with like, instead of 100% for migrated, a 4.0 as I was up like 150% because I did so much extra part in that class. But I’m just having so much fun. I couldn’t stop, you know, I would start writing visual basic code. I’d started doing these programs and I couldn’t stop at six. I just kept going. So yeah, it was funny because we would get to know,

ElleyCat: 00:44:26 oh, another level of loving what you do.

Liam: 00:44:30 That’s how bad am. Well, I, my, I always said it was my uncle Rick’s fault because he gave me my first computer, which was a commodore Vic 20 when I was 10, and I stayed up at my grandma. Yeah. Really old school computer way before your time. Um, uh, well commodore was a competing computer company. It was a more proprietary system. It wasn’t as mainstream as the IBM pace based pcs that like the Tandy computers and stuff like that that they sold the radio shack. Um, although before they went out of business in the u s commodore did make a few hybrid computers that ran their proprietary stuff, but then could also run the IBM PC compatible stuff like dos and stuff like that. But it didn’t save them. It didn’t save them in the United States. They ended up going out of business in the U s but they’re still really big in Europe. They’re still making computers there. Yeah. But, uh, my uncle Rick gave me my first computer, which was a commodore Vic 20 in, I’m talking, you’re talking in the days where we didn’t even have floppy drives. I wrote my programs and I had to save them to a cassette tape. So yeah. Yeah. Seriously. Yeah. Yeah. That’s the storage medium we had when I started writing code at 10 years old was cassette tapes, which really sucked because when you want it to reload your program into memory from the tape drive, it fricking took forever.

Liam: 00:46:03 But my uncle Rick gave me that Vic 20 cause he had upgraded to the new commodore 64 that had just come out. And I was, I, when I was younger, I, we spent every summer when I was all out of school for the summer, I always spent those summers at my maternal grandparents house. Like entire summer I was at Grandpa and grandma cooked carts all summer and my uncle Rick and I would do stuff together. He was like six or seven years older than me. Um, but he gave me that Vic 20 and I had forgotten at the time I wore reading glasses while not reading glasses. I actually had pretty bad eyesight when I was young. And then I quit wearing my glasses. My eyes healed on their own. And I only had them now for reading. And only in my right eye, my right eye is like 2021 or something like that and barely even need a prescription.

Liam: 00:46:50 But anyways, I didn’t have my glasses. I’d forgotten to take them to my grandparents that summer. And I stayed up like 18 hours writing code on this Vic 20 before I finally went to sleep. And I’m talking in the old school, I’m talking basic, basic, not visual basic that any other kinds of basic, the original basic programming language. And I wrote code for 18 hours staring at, you know, cause the Vic 20 the commodore computers, you could just hook up to a television and use that for your monitor and those days. And um, so I was staring at my grandparents TV screen for 18 hours writing code and I finally crashed after 18 hours and went to sleep. And when I woke up, well, quote unquote woke up, I was conscious, but I couldn’t see because my eyes swelled shut from the eyestrain because I wrote all that card with no glasses on and my, and I straightened my eyes so badly that my eyes actually swelled shut.

ElleyCat: 00:47:54 Okay.

Liam: 00:47:54 Which I didn’t even know was possible.

ElleyCat: 00:47:56 You’re not supposed to do that.

Liam: 00:47:57 Yeah. I didn’t even know what was possible to do that until it happened.

ElleyCat: 00:48:01 I didn’t know either. Yeah. I was going to think that you would say fun for days.

Liam: 00:48:05 Yeah. Oh yeah, I did that too. But yeah, for the first few hours after I woke back up, I, I couldn’t really open my eyes at all. They were just so puffy and so swollen that I had to put a compress on my eyes for a while to get the swelling to go down before I could open them enough to see.

ElleyCat: 00:48:23 Okay.

Liam: 00:48:23 Yeah. So that’s how that

ElleyCat: 00:48:25 done that again.

Liam: 00:48:26 No, no. I still write code for hours on end at times, but like I said, I don’t really need my glasses anymore. So, um, but the other thing I wanted to talk to you about in this, uh, in your second appearance is the other thing I was really excited about. I see that you’ve got your youtube channel going now. You’ve got a 5% set five videos on here now and you’ve got 22 subscribers. So you’re getting there and you’ve got some really cool videos on here. I love your videos. The Dan, the full guy has gotta be my favorite. That one is so, so great. I love that one.

ElleyCat: 00:49:01 Isn’t that cool? Yeah. Honestly it was a last minute sort of thing. But I was like, uh, my boyfriend was standing in the background, not meaning to be in the shot and the videographer night culture. He was like, no, no, no, stay there. This is what cool. Kind of looked like the creeper maybe. And I was like, well let’s put your myriad, I said, he can like be grabbing my foot or something like that. So he did that and then the videographer was like, wait a minute, I have a great idea. Go stand over there with the pool skimmer. And, you know, skip the pool and so off. It’s so proud of my boyfriend. It was the coolest thing ever for just to watch him like go and do that. Actually had the vote. Perfect expressions. I’m walked it down laughing what I do. Yeah, he was cracking up and it took quite a few actual takes for him to do those spaces without bursting out laughing cause he’s shy in front of the camera. So it was really adorable.

Liam: 00:50:00 That’s great though. And I see that one’s got 253 view. So that’s by far your most popular video so far.

ElleyCat: 00:50:07 Yeah. You know, sound half baked, you did it. So everybody’s like, oh Yo, look, look that one

Liam: 00:50:13 now the a actually the thing I was gonna say was not laying the, the sexy outfit you’re wearing, but just the title and the way the clip is shot is it’s like reminiscent of like a seventies porn. And I don’t mean that in a bad way. Uh,

ElleyCat: 00:50:32 no, no, no. I, I love the way he edited it so that it kind of does look like it was something that came like almost straight out of the 70s. Yeah, I definitely think that. But,

Liam: 00:50:46 and as soon as we shared it and I saw the title four and before I clicked on it, the watch and I’m like, Eh, she got her boyfriend into a video. Somehow she got him into it. Cause I do that. I knew that Sudan, the pool guy had to a bed. That’s so awesome.

ElleyCat: 00:51:06 Thank you.

Liam: 00:51:07 Now what’s the, um, I don’t think I’ve watched this one yet. What’s the a La Cat in EDC 2016 trailer. What’s that all about?

ElleyCat: 00:51:17 Um, well I was at EDC in 2015 came around that were, you know, doing professional videos and they can point it bunch of footage of me, but you know, I’m only in it for literally like that. I was in the official trailer for 2016 I was like, if you didn’t know it was me, you would have no idea. So it’s this a little bit of me and I’m just gonna sit in there dancing. I blew a kiss to the camera. I was just super excited that I actually made the official video and I just put it up there cause I liked it. And that’s really the only reason.

Liam: 00:51:59 That’s so cool though. Now I gotta ask you a question because if memory serves me correctly, one of your videos is missing, cause I thought the very first one that you posted was you doing like your makeup or something before issue and I don’t see that one here now or not or am I missing it?

ElleyCat: 00:52:18 No, I haven’t.

Liam: 00:52:20 I seen, I see dad, the Pool Guy, the EDC 2016 trailer. Then I see how I became a snake. Victoria secret sale in best sexy Lara Croft cosplay and the model junkyard. Oh maybe it’s the model junk yard photo shoot. Get ready. Yeah, maybe that’s okay. That’s what threw me off because I was like, I knew there was a video where she was talking about how she gets ready for a shoot and her doing her makeup and how she taught herself, all that stuff. And I didn’t see it but I forgot it was that one. That’s my man.

ElleyCat: 00:52:49 No, that’s cool. Um, or recorded a fucking footage for those. But my laptop, unfortunately it can’t handle the editing software to do that. So I ordered myself a gigantic pop that I like build over the Internet. Two of the parts were on back order so it’s still not here and both arrive while I’m on vacation. So my best friend is coming over to my house on my kitty cat fall and gone and made sure that my computer gets put in the hole because I’ve been wasting a 20 on anything and I’ll be able to gain, um, um, because I’m a fairly big Gamer, I just looked, you know, couple of different, I was thinking what we’re putting computer based games but I’m hoping

Liam: 00:53:35 so you are [inaudible] so you are a nerd at heart.

ElleyCat: 00:53:47 Throw their hair in a ponytail and get guilty. Guilty looking for Ross outside.

ElleyCat: 00:53:54 I think I would get beat up by tigers or go horseback riding, you know, get out on my quad and ride all day for I’ve listen to my man and you know, come in again for hours. When I realized 2:00 AM I need to go to bed and so yeah, I’m full longer. Oh fuck. With that thing. I had no idea I was going to love it so much, but you can make so many awesome things with it. I had no clue. Was like a whole new world for me to figure it out that, you know, plastic string stuff to make all these other really cool things.

Liam: 00:54:31 Oh yeah, yeah, absolutely. That’s so funny that you’re into gaming and stuff like that too. I would’ve never thought that. That’s the rumor that I used to do. I used to do a lot of PC gaming years ago. Um, but I wouldn’t run windows. I always hated windows with a passion. So I would run Linux and I would run what’s called a windows emulator, um, known as wine wine for short. And um, a number of years back when I was living in, back when I lived in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania and I was getting my second computer science degree. I used to play a game and then I was never into star wars. I’ve always been a star trek person. I hate star wars, but they made one star wars. They made one star wars game that I liked and that was Jedi Knight to jetty outcast. And I was on workman’s comp for quite a while because I sustained a bad arm injury, which progressed into a degenerative disease that I have in that arm now.

Liam: 00:55:32 Um, and before I went back to college, I was stuck at home all the time, climate in the walls. And I was like, I’ve gotta find something to do. So I started going to college again and in my spare time I would play Jedi Knight to Jedi outcast. And I actually worked my way up to being tied for number one in the world in that game with another guy. I can’t remember the guy’s name now, cause it’s been so long ago, but he and I were the two best players in the entire world and we would play, we would play on servers. Um, they were called dark world servers and on the servers they had pumped musters. So there was no cheating, there was no force powers, no guns, no bombs, no grenades. All you had was your lightsaber. So it was basically sword fighting. Um, wow. And in two and a half years of playing that game, I killed 4 million real world real world opponents in that game.

Liam: 00:56:35 Yeah. Back when I, at the height of my gaming, I played the crap out of that game. That one in Star Trek Bridge Commander I played a lot of and uh, but yeah, it was, I mean it got to the point where I had to create fake accounts because when I would log onto a server, as soon as everybody saw my avatars screen name, nobody would play against them. Oh yeah. I would log in, I would log into a while they had different server worlds. So some of them were where you could just do a lightsaber duals where you would challenge a player they would accept. And then while the two of you were fighting, your body’s glowed and any other people on that, on that world, they could run up behind you and hit you as many times they want it with their lightsaber and it wouldn’t do any damage to you. Only you and your opponent could do each other because you were dueling. And um, and then they had free for all servers and I would log into a, before everybody got wise to how good I was at the game, I would log into a free for all server and I would kill two, 300 players at a time and a free for all flight. And I’d still have three quarters of my health left when everybody else was dead. So yeah, I got, yeah. Yup, Yup. Way before all of that.

Liam: 00:57:56 Yeah. Because was a world of Warcraft. It first came out back around that time. It was either world of Warcraft or there was another one that I was thinking started with an e but I couldn’t be wrong. It might’ve been world of Warcraft. I never got into world of Warcraft anyways, but I had, I had so much fun and um, like I said, the jetty outcast, I would go occasionally on servers where we played capture the flag. So you would have teams, you know, you’d have six guys on a team and six guys on an opposing team and you would cross this massive map trying to find each other’s base camps and steal their flag and get back to your camp. But they’re captured flag while they’re all chasing, you’re trying to kill you and get their flag back. So I used to play quite a bit of that too.

Liam: 00:58:46 Well I checked, uh, not too long ago when I saw that they did finally port that game to Macko s cause I run all macs now and you can buy the game, you can buy the game for like five bucks or something like that in the Mac app store. And I’m like, I wonder if I should download that and start killing people. Like yeah. But at the time I was working two full time jobs. I’m like, I don’t have time for gaming and just don’t. I mean, you know, it’s bad when you log into a free for all server in everybody’s logs off or just runs from you when they see your screen name. That’s hilarious.

Liam: 00:59:22 And the thing was the guy that I was tied for first place in the entire world in this game with, he and I would go on to a dark side dual server and we would challenge each other to a duel and we would literally dual for two or three hours and neither one of us get finished the other guy off because we’re both so good. Yeah, we both so good at the game. We couldn’t kill each other, so we’d fight until we were exhausted and we’d call a draw and just give up and then we go back to killing everybody else.

ElleyCat: 00:59:53 Okay. Okay.

Liam: 00:59:57 Yeah, but I had a lot of fun doing that, so I just thought it was funny that you’re in the game. You don’t meet a whole lot of ladies that are into gaming. Not very many. And it’s just so funny because you did the modeling and you’re a geologist and you’re into the gaming and I saw, and one of your, one of Dan’s recent posts, you guys found some cool arrowheads not too long ago too. I thought that was really cool.

ElleyCat: 01:00:17 Oh yeah. Yeah. I love looking for that kind of stuff. And so I, I think every opportunity I can get the, which aren’t many lately, but you know, anytime I get off work early or can go out, look around for stuff, I haven’t really tried to, cause there’s, you know, this kind of a wealth of it in Arizona. And you know, I just like to find different things that’s really cool to me and I want to preserve it. Like I don’t want it to get trampled by cows cause most of it you just find the cattle field.

Liam: 01:00:48 Oh yeah. Yeah. When I saw that post I was like, she’s lucky cause she probably finds tons of that stuff in Arizona. I can just imagine,

ElleyCat: 01:00:56 surprisingly not too much because the cactus, the bud sucks. So you just kind of got to stay out of the way. And I’m definitely allergic to walk and so eight times I’ve walked out there, oh and I had a happy creeper out then. You know, not bother them and hopefully they leave me alone.

Liam: 01:01:16 Make sure you have your Epi pen.

ElleyCat: 01:01:19 I do.

Liam: 01:01:20 That’s good. Uh, we are, see where I’m, I, like I said, I’m originally from Pennsylvania, so we don’t get a whole lot of arrowheads when we explore up there. We do on occasion because there were, um, I can’t remember what tribes were living in that area because my dad grew up in a town that was just called y Lucien, Pennsylvania. And I can’t remember, I can’t remember which tribe, but why aren’t we seeing why are losing the town name actually stood for a gathering of friends or something like that. I can’t remember if it was, I can’t remember which tribe it was though. If it was a, I want to say it was black feet, but I could be wrong, or maybe it was Mohawk at one time. I could be wrong. But anyways, we would occasionally find arrowheads. It was kind of rare. But the cool thing when I lived in Harrisburg would be, you know, a short drive down the road I’d be at to Gettysburg battlefield.

Liam: 01:02:10 And we were always finding what they would call witness trees. So if you’re not familiar with it, a witness tree is, but that’s what they call it. But it’s basically one of the trees on the Gettysburg battlefield that actually caught bullets that missed their targets. And so those things are found all the time in Gettysburg. I mean, there’s so many, um, stray bullets from the civil war that are embedded in trees and all kinds of different things. Yeah. And a, they coined the phrase witness tree. So that’s what they call these trees that, that ended up catching silver war bullets that were intended for, you know, somebody on the north or the south side and the shot missed and hit a tree instead. And then anytime somebody finds one, yeah, anytime somebody finds one, they mark the tree and it becomes the, the newest member of the witness tree family.

Liam: 01:03:06 It’s pretty cool. And I’m such a history nerd. I lived in, I lived in Harrisburg for 10 years and I would literally go to Gettysburg battlefield like every freaking weekend and just walk in and find anything cool. Oh, I found all kinds of stuff. I found, um, civil war oh, buckles found bayonets. Um, rifle components, sometimes pistols. We would dig up pistols on occasion and we’d always just give all the stuff we found in the museum. It was there on the grounds. And you know, we never, yeah, I was like, I’ve always been a history not, and I’m like, well, I don’t feel right. You know, anything that I find, I’m not going to take it home and put it in my personal collection. I’m going to turn it over to the Gettysburg Museum. And for the last one I always did. But yeah, we find cool stuff. We’ve find a union and confederate, you know, pins and metals and stuff like that from time to time. And um, one of my friends actually found and um, buried in the dirt, one of our weekends we were down there, he actually found an old, a surgeons amputation saw.

Liam: 01:04:14 Right. We’re used to amputate lambs when they, you know, when they get badly injured in the battlefield. Yeah. And you know, in those days they didn’t have anesthesia. It was like, all right boy, take a drink of this whiskey and bite down on the stick while I cut your leg off.

ElleyCat: 01:04:29 Yeah. And hopefully you know, for other like big dudes are like old them down.

Liam: 01:04:33 Yeah, yeah, Yup. But I just loved going to Gettysburg and I would literally go every weekend, sometimes all year round. I’d spend every weekend at the battlefield at either, maybe not both days of the weekend, but I’d either go every Saturday or I’d go every Sunday or I rotate it in one month. I’d do Saturdays next month I do Sundays, but I always went at least one day a week. Um, or the entire 10 years I live in Harrisburg and we’ve only found a fraction of all the stuff from the civil war on those grounds. There’s still so much more stuff that’s there. I mean he had like 12,000 soldiers in the battle of Gettysburg. Ah, I can just imagine how much more stuff is there that has not been found yet. I there I articles all the time that they find stuff that they’re always finding stuff.

Liam: 01:05:23 But yeah, like once in a while they’ll cut down a tree that gets damaged by lightning or something and you know, they’ll cut the tree down and flip. You know, you get the

Liam: 01:05:32 The bottom of the trunk exposed. You don’t where it’s been cut from its stomp and there’s a bullet embedded in the tree. Yeah. So they found some that way, you know. And like I said, each time they find when they mark that tree and uh, they have a log book and they’ll mark that tree down as a new witness tree and they put down its coordinates and how many rounds they found embedded in the tree. And they usually don’t dig them out. They just leave them in there and they mark them elk are, that makes, makes the tour’s a little more interesting when you can point those things out.

ElleyCat: 01:06:04 Oh for sure. Yeah.

Liam: 01:06:06 But I am so excited that things are really going really full steam ahead for you. I mean, that’s great. I think it’s fantastic and I hope you do get to do more acting. I think that’s great too.

ElleyCat: 01:06:20 Yeah, me too. I have a, you know, a lot of different, let’s say no, it’s basically out there and you know, some contact with people. We’d like to work with you. We’d like to do this, please get back to me because I, you know, it could dream of mine and I, I wanna see it through. I was blessed to be able as much as I run, I would love to be able to quit my day job because there is still on the mentality that some people don’t believe that women are to be in writing and especially strong personalities like myself. Um, more with this, a lot of men that say that women need to be away from mining and it’s a men’s world. It’s very difficult. Especially I am the only woman in my office and there’s 23 men, Aaron, that’s what’s in my building. And then in the other building, I think there’s about 50 men and there’s two winners.

Liam: 01:07:21 Oh Wow.

ElleyCat: 01:07:22 It’s very practical. I like myself that are either engineers or geologists.

Liam: 01:07:29 Yeah.

ElleyCat: 01:07:29 It’s a little bit of a struggle. And so that part is unfortunate that, you know, we’re in a century we’re in and there is still this kind of a backwards mind and sometimes it’s a cultural preference or we do work with from around the world, but some of the work here, but a lot of them are still stuck in their old ways.

Liam: 01:07:47 Yeah. Oh yeah.

ElleyCat: 01:07:48 Especially towards women. It’s like no, women need to be in the kitchen. Women need to cover their hair. Women need to not wear jeans or you know, there’s a lot of stigma that they put on us. And so our opinions are a lot of the time are not listened to and they’re not held to, you know, the same high priority or standard as the men’s are. And it’s, it’s very hard if you go into different meetings and you can see that mentality. So for, to be able to get away from that someday and be able to be a fulltime actress and model that Migraine and I am, I’m working so hard to get here.

Liam: 01:08:26 Wow, that’s so cool though. And I mean, it’s sad that, that you get treated that way just because you’re a woman. I mean, I guess that mindset never made a whole heck of a lot of sense to me because, you know, if you’re qualified to do the job and you have the education, what difference does it make what your gender is? And the sad thing is, and I’ve told people this for a long time, even back before it ever happened from the time I was fairly young, I kept telling everybody, I’m like, you mark my words, the United States will have its first black president before we have our first woman president. And it’s just the nature of, yeah, it’s just the nature of the beast. And the problem is, you know, just like in your industry and other industries, you know, how is a female president in the United States going to interact with some of our app, our quote unquote allies like Saudi Arabia where women are considered fourth class citizens or whatever.

Liam: 01:09:23 Or they’re basically considered property like, yeah, yeah, yeah. How are you, how are you going to carry on a meeting with the you? The King of Saudi Arabia is a female president, United States when to him, your property, you know, that’s not going to work. So yeah, unfortunately, um, and the world is very sexist to this day, which to me is just completely idiotic. We should’ve moved past that a long time ago, but unfortunately too many people haven’t. Wow. You know, and uh, again, I’m from the northern state, one of the northern states, so I never understood the whole, uh, you know, prejudice against black people. I never understood that. And it’s just sad.

ElleyCat: 01:10:08 I don’t get that, you know?

Liam: 01:10:09 Yeah. I don’t understand why people are looked down upon because they’re female or because they have a different color skin than I have. I could never comprehend that stuff when I was growing up. And I think, to be honest, that was one of the reasons why I was so into star trek when I was a kid was because that’s how I looked at the world. And that’s how gene Roddenberry’s characters looked at the world. You don’t want to start track. Everybody was equal. Didn’t matter if you were black, white, Asian, didn’t matter if you were Russian, Scottish, Irish, didn’t matter. Everybody was equal. Um, yeah, exactly. The only difference between everybody was what your rank was on the ship, but everybody was equal. And, uh, and of course the other thing that I tell people all the time that I hate is this. And I understand there are prejudice against black people and Mexican people and other people of different ethnic groups over really burns. My toast is this racism because, and I tell people this all the time, there’s no such thing as racism. We’re all the same race. We’re all sapiens. We have different ethnic groups. There’s no such thing as different races on the planet unless you can prove to me that we have aliens that are physically living on this planet from outer space. There’s only one race on this planet. And that’s almost ABM.

Liam: 01:11:25 Yup. But, uh, and then like I said, it’s just sad that some people are so closed minded when it comes to stuff like that. And just like with the stuff you do with being a model and you do conventional stuff, you do your cause play, you do your steam punk shoots, but you also do artistic nudes. And it’s like, why do people have such hangups over artistic nudes? I mean, Facebook still doesn’t allow artistic nudes of women unless their nipples recovered. Cause I, I did an episode on my other podcast show, my political podcast. Uh, no, it was on my photography podcast cause a few weeks ago a bunch of models and photographers were protesting outside Facebook’s New York City headquarters and they were all naked protesting in front of their building and they were all covering themselves with giant pictures for a while there they were covering themselves with giant print outs of men, male Nipples, you guys female?

Liam: 01:12:28 No, because they’re not allowed on Facebook. And Facebook met with the group and our, I guess they agreed that they were gonna meet with this group. Um, I can’t remember what the organization was called. It was like NCAC or something like that. And, uh, they agreed to meet with their representatives, but said that they weren’t going to guarantee that they were going to change their policy on that. And my friend Brian’s announcing you that you and I talked about that on the last time you were on my show. He’s an artistic nude photographer in the Chicago area and he gets so mad that he asked the sensor certain things in his photos because if not, Facebook will delete his photos and banning. Yeah. If he doesn’t censor it. And I don’t know, I mean, I’ve always been a fairly religious person. I’m not an ultra religious conservative like some people are, but I just, you know, I never understood it’s art. It’s art for God’s sakes. People have been doing nude sculptures and new paintings for hundreds and thousands of years. What the heck is the difference? If it’s a tasteful artistic nude photograph, there’s no difference. But for some, for some reason Facebook will allow female nipples to be on their, on their platform. If it’s a sculpture or a painting, if it’s a photograph, you’ll get manned. And I just think, yeah, I think it’s just really stupid.

ElleyCat: 01:13:55 All right. I just young, you know, the biggest thing was, you know, being a model and having, you know, your Facebook, your Instagram and all that starters, uh, Instagram specifically, they don’t necessarily go through and like, oh we’re going to fan, we’re going to do this. If people turn you in. Yeah. Right. So you have somebody saying that doesn’t like you with your work starting to turn you in and then it draws attention. But oh well baby Instagram is like this now and a lot of people’s accounts are either blocked or you know, you’re banned for a certain amount of time or you can’t do this. And you know, Facebook does it same thing. Their algorithm I think is a little bit different where a computer actually physically, visually can see something or pick it up. I don’t know exactly. But you know, they’ll say, oh sorry, you know, you’ve done too much of this or this doesn’t meet our standards.

ElleyCat: 01:14:43 And then all of a sudden you can’t access your account for weeks on end. And so with a model, you have to be so careful to stay within those guidelines because you know, that’s your outreach to people. That’s how we book work. That’s how people see our work. If they want to use us and if we can’t show our work and it band or something like that, you know, it, it’s more of a hearsay or that kind of thing because you do have to be careful with some of the other sites that you post stuff to. Um, you know, more often than not, if you do, I can’t tell you how many give her emails. I get of people saying, oh, we’ll pay you for a private shoot system is, you know, um, you’ll be well paid. Everybody’s clean, you can make a lot of money on like, everybody’s clean, what the hell are you talking about? And then it goes onto to the email. But basically their chain used to do porn you don’t like, that’s not what I do. Artistic Nude photography is not for,

Liam: 01:15:39 yeah, let’s switch. Huge Different, oh my God. That’s, so, you know, that’s really idiotic. And what’s really funny is Facebook’s guidelines on artistic nude are so archaic and my, in my opinion, you know, male versus females and what they allow to be showing. I mean, and I’m not, and I’m not bringing this up to embarrass you or make you angry, but I’m really almost shocked that they allowed your one photograph to be on your Facebook page because you’re not nude, but you can see the offending nipples through the fabric of the dress you’re wearing. And I’m like, wow, I’m surprised you don’t have a fit about that about anything else. Yeah. That’s the one where you’re wearing the braids, right? Yup. Yeah. So I guess because it’s covered, it’s okay. Yeah, exactly. This is the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard of.

ElleyCat: 01:16:39 I fully agree. It’s, you know, everybody’s like about the movement and Nicole, but no, I don’t know.

Liam: 01:16:49 Yeah, I know. Hopefully. Um, maybe they’ll, uh, get Facebook to reconsider. I highly doubt it though. I think Facebook is not going to change that policy anytime soon. Oh. And whatever. The other thing I was going to tell you in reference to that particular subject, I don’t know if you’re familiar with it yet or not, but what you might want to check into is setting up your on another social media platform called me. We um, because they don’t censor anything so you can post your artistic nudes there and not get banned and all that crap that my friend Brian told me about it after he found it. And it’s specifically a social media platform for artists and models and photographers mostly. And they will not sense or artistic nudes. Yup. So I know he posts a lot of his work on there cause he doesn’t have to sensor everything out when he posts it like he does on Facebook or Instagram. Yeah. But we’ll see. Maybe someday a Facebook will get with the times. I don’t know. I’m not holding my breath though. They seem to just do whatever the heck they want.

Liam: 01:17:54 Yeah. I mean it’s their platform. I understand that. But yeah, I was having this discussion with somebody recently, the same week I did my podcast episode on that protest. And I said, you know, I have a programming degree. It wouldn’t be that hard for Facebook developers to, you know, set up an algorithm that says, you know, hey, if you’re a model or basically model or photographer that does artistic names, okay fine. We have the implement an algorithm that verifies um, all of that and then you are allowed to post the artistic nudes, whether they’re male or female models, doesn’t matter. And then what they could do, you know, from the, Oh, we’re trying to, you know, prevent children from being exposed to this crap. Well, there’s a way around that you could easily have your developers write an algorithm that says, you know, hey, nobody on Facebook could access this kind of content that’s been flagged as artistic needed by the photographer or a model that posted it.

Liam: 01:18:56 You know, you would have to flag your stuff with a little checkbox that says this is artistic nude. And then anybody that’s on Facebook is a viewer that wants to look at those photographs. They have to prove to Facebook, they are old enough to look at that stuff. So they have to upload a copy of their driver’s license proves or at least 18 years of age of yet. But it’s not that freaking hard to implement. And then you could easily keep small children from seeing stuff like that. That’s supposedly your whole reason for being opposed to that stuff being on your platform to begin with. But I don’t think that’s all there is to it. So because I mean I could easily ride them now Korea Algorithm and like 20 minutes that would accomplish that for them. So if their developers can’t do that and then they’re hiring their own people, cause I can do it pretty easy. But I just thought that would be a good way for them to have, you know, a happy medium with this group that was protesting them and they’re organizers and Facebook, they come together and reach an agreement like that and then just implement the algorithms to make it happen. And then if you have artistic nude photos, you know from a shoot that you did, you can post a mine you’re modeling page and you’re not going to get banned or blacklisted or have your photos deleted. And

Liam: 01:20:08 you know, Facebook doesn’t have to worry about little kids looking at nude women topless in our list stuff and you know, they wouldn’t be able to use that excuse anymore because then at least anybody under the age of 18 wouldn’t, wouldn’t be allowed to click and reveal the fuck. You know how they do it now with the graphic images, you know they have that little display. Yeah, you go to wicker, somebody photo they posted and it says, warning, this is graphic content. Click here. If you want to uncover it and see it anyways, they can do the same thing with artistic nudes. Only have it tied to an algorithm that verifies their age first. You know, if this person doesn’t have a driver’s license on file, the shows, they’re at least 18 and they can have access to this content period. And you know, it wouldn’t be that hard for sure.

ElleyCat: 01:20:52 That would be a great idea.

Liam: 01:20:55 And it would allow models and photographers that work in artistic noons to post their work and not get, you know, man blacklisted and have their photos deleted, all that stuff. Which like I said again to me is just idiotic. Yeah. I mean it’s 2019 let’s get with the Times people. Yup. I mean I can, I’m a photographer so I can flip through artistic news and you know, it’s not like, like you were saying before, you were in the last time we talked, you were talking about these creepy guys with cameras. Dwcs and um, and I know exactly what you’re talking about cause you know, as a photographer, I’m the kind of person that could, you know, I can scroll through, will like on me way I can look at 500 women that are posing for artistic nudes with their nipple showing and all that stuff.

Liam: 01:21:43 And I’m going, I’m swiping through and I’m going, yeah, the lighting’s good on this one. Yep. Love that composite. Not actually paying any attention to what’s exposed or not. I’m looking at the overall composition, uh, lighting. Yes. Seen what the photographer and model, we’re trying to accomplish it in the shoe, you know, on that, in some giddy ass adolescent retarded giggling because it’s a topless girl, you know? Uh, you know, I don’t know, maybe they’ll never get to the, they’ll get with the times. We’ll have to wait and see, I guess. But I have a feeling they’re not gonna. They’re not going to change their community standards over that. But we’ll see.

ElleyCat: 01:22:21 Yeah, I don’t think they really want to be honest,

Liam: 01:22:24 but it’s just a shame because, you know, like you said, social media platforms or how models get their work out there and get other jobs. And same for photographers. You know, you put your best work on your, on your website, you put your best work on your website, your social media account, your youtube channels if you have it. And hopefully that helps you get more jobs and make more money. So when they, when they, you know, tie one hand behind your back on what you can post on your own profile, that’s ridiculous. And then you know, what jeopardizes your income source, you know, it could potentially jeopardize your getting other jobs. They don’t think that, I guess it must be because Facebook’s got billions of dollars. They don’t really care about anybody else. Make them money. Maybe that’s just me, I don’t know. But I’m really, really happy to see that you’ve been so busy with all these shoots and you got the magazine cover and you’re getting ready to do another film roll. That’s great. Now when does, um, when are they, uh, starting the filming on that movie you were talking about the new one that you’re going to be doing

ElleyCat: 01:23:33 in August.

Liam: 01:23:35 Oh, okay. So next month.

ElleyCat: 01:23:38 Yeah, next month.

Liam: 01:23:39 All right. So where do you have to go to, where are they filming in that you have to go to some plays. Are they shooting in your area or do you have to go to California?

ElleyCat: 01:23:45 No, I have to go to la.

ElleyCat: 01:23:49 So you know, while I’m there I’ll be primarily just doing the film. But there is, you know, a chance that I have enough time, I can set up a photo shoot with somebody. So we’ll see.

Liam: 01:24:00 Well yeah, especially, um, cause like I said, I remember the last time you were on the show, you were saying that you had quite a few California photographers that wanted to shoot with you. Um, and I think you even mentioned several in La that wanted to work with you. So that’d be great if you can do both at the same time, you know, while you’re out there filming for the movie, getting some photo shoots with these photographers and, and uh, make some extra money and do some new work that way too. That would be awesome.

ElleyCat: 01:24:25 That’s the plan.

Liam: 01:24:28 Well, I’m gonna wrap this episode upward an hour and 24 minutes, which I don’t mind that we went that long, but I don’t want to keep you all night. I know you’ve probably got things through, but as usual, it’s fantastic talking to you Ellie. Um, you’re always welcome on this show and I, and I love keeping up with the stuff you’re working on. I watch your posts and you know, I comment and like them as much as I can cause you’ve been doing some really great stuff. I mean some really awesome, awesome shoots that you’ve done, whether they were the cause play or the steam punk or you know, that fantastic photo shoot that you did at that a husband and wife swimming pool. That was really awesome because you know, like I said that that whole scene just looked like it was on some sort of a resort.

ElleyCat: 01:25:13 Yeah. And I, I hope I get to go back and use that, you know, the same thing again cause they don’t, you know, the two shoots I had there were awesome and you know, yeah. And the photos came out so great that yeah. You know, he thought of the cover of expression magazine but it also a, it made the back cover of expressions answers also a three page spread of me inside the magazine as well.

Liam: 01:25:37 Oh cool. Now was this just a digital magazine or is it a published one?

ElleyCat: 01:25:42 It is a digital magazine. There’s uh, uh, I would definitely say, you know, the, the actual large name publish magazine, those are extremely difficult to get into. But

ElleyCat: 01:25:54 I will be there. Some boys.

Liam: 01:25:57 I’m sure you will because like I said, you’re, you’re always doing new things and I’m sure it’s only a matter of time before, you know, you catch the eye of vogue or somebody like that and get a good photo shoot with them and hopefully get on the cover or one of those magazines. That would be really cool. That’s when you’ll stop taking my calls. Movie career takes off and you’re on the cover of Vogue and sports illustrated swimsuit edition yet. That’s when you’ll stop taking my calls. Yep. William home. I’ve never heard of him. No, I’m not gonna go on this silly little podcast. I’m too famous now.

ElleyCat: 01:26:35 That was nonprofit.

Liam: 01:26:37 I’m just teasing you. No, you’re, you’re a really wonderful person and you’re really fun to talk to and, and I’m really excited that things been going so well for you and I hope they continue to.

ElleyCat: 01:26:48 Well thank you. I will definitely keep you posted and thank you so much for liking myself and you know, following me and, and just, you know, helping to represent what I’m doing. I really appreciate that.

Liam: 01:26:59 Oh, absolutely. And for all of my listeners out there, I will share all of Ellie’s links in the show notes for this episode. Uh, please also check out her youtube channel. Hit subscribe and click the little bell icon so you get notifications anytime she uploads new videos cause she’s got some really fun and cool stuff on there. And uh, we’ll, we’ll see about having you back later on down the road. I don’t want to take too much of your time cause I know you’re really busy with so many different projects and shoots that you’re doing, but always love having you on the show. You’re a lot of fun to talk to and, and a really smart lady as well. So that was the aim for this episode is I wanted all of my listeners to know that you’re not only, you know, a pretty lady that does a lot of modeling work and acting work, but you also are very smart person too.

Liam: 01:27:46 So you’ve got to, you know, we gotta kill as much as we can that stereotype. The models are dumb and you know, the way they’re always portrayed on TV shows and stuff, both male and female models, right. That they’re dumber than a box of rocks. And then in reality, I mean a lot of this world famous supermodels over the years had actually been very intelligent men and women that had degrees, master’s degrees, PhDs and stuff like that. And I don’t think a lot of people realize that. I don’t know, I guess it was mostly Hollywood that created that dumb model stereotype, but as definitely not the case because, uh, I’ve talked to you and I actually shot with another model and you’re both very intelligent women, probably both college educated. So definitely, uh, definitely a bogus stereotype. The models are dumb, that’s for sure.

Liam: 01:28:40 Alrighty. Well I am going to go ahead and wrap up this episode and let you get back to your life out there and uh, tell Dan I said hello and I said thank you again for him allowing you to come on the show and take away from your time out there. You know, I’m sure you guys probably have a bunch of stuff to do to get ready for this drip and uh, I didn’t that I was cutting into the packing for your vacation so I felt kind of bad about that when I found out about that.

ElleyCat: 01:29:07 No, that’s beautiful.

Liam: 01:29:10 And you guys got to find me a couple of arrowheads and send them to me. I want a couple so maybe I’ll get lucky. Yup. Can you still hear me?

ElleyCat: 01:29:24 Oh yeah, I can completely cut out there for a second.

Liam: 01:29:27 Oh that’s weird. Yeah, cause everything seemed to still be working on this side now. I was just teasing your moment again. Like I said, you guys need to find me a couple of arrowheads and send them out here. Jimmy, I don’t have any. No, I could definitely try. All right. Well again, thank you for your time Ellie. It’s been fantastic having you on the show and enjoy your vacation to Billy’s. Hopefully you guys will have a great time.

ElleyCat: 01:29:51 Thank you Liam. I really appreciate it and you have a good evening.

Liam: 01:29:54 You too. Thanks again.

ElleyCat: 01:29:58 Bye Bye. Bye Bye.

Liam: 01:30:01 Well, there you have it folks. Episode 28 of the Liam photography podcast. Our second interview with the professional model and professional geologists. Miss ElleyCat. Please definitely check out the links to her social media, her Facebook and Instagram will be on the show notes for this episode. And also as I mentioned him a few minutes ago, stopped by her youtube channel and uh, give her a subscribe and I like and hit the little bell notification icon so that you’re getting notified when she uploads new videos cause she’s been doing some really fun stuff, her and her boyfriend with behind the scenes footage and stuff like that. So those videos are pretty fun and enjoyable to check out as well. And with that, I’m going to wrap up this week’s episode and I will see you all next week in episode 29.

Episode 27: Nikon D6 Rumors, Canon’s new RF Lens and Social Media

In this episode I talk about the latest rumored specs for the upcoming Nikon D6, Nikon DSLRs that won’t be getting future upgrades. I also talk about Canon’s new rumored 16-28mm F/2 L USM lens and how to NOT let Social Media stifle your creativity.

Nikon D6 Rumors

Another set of rumored Nikon D6 specifications

Nikon DSLRs that Won’t see replacements

Rumored list of Nikon DSLR cameras that will not be replaced (with a new DSLR model)

Canon’s new F/2 Monster 16-28mm L lens

A Canon RF 16-28mm f/2L USM is coming [CR1]

Don’t Let Social Media Stifle Your Creativity

Don’t Let Social Media Stifle Your Creativity!

Transcription by, there may be grammatical errors.

Liam 00:00 A new set of Nikon d six camera specifications, so I’m Nikon DSLRs that will not be replaced with a newer DSLR model, a new Canon Sic RF 16 to 28 millimeter f two l USM is coming and how it keeps social media from sucking the life out of your creativity. All of this on episode 27 of the Liam photography podcast

Liam 00:45 you’re listening to the land photography podcast. I’m your host Liam Douglas, and this is episode 27 so before I begin the meat and potatoes of this episode, I wanted to take a moment and thank all of my brothers and sisters in uniform who have served this nation proudly on this July 4th, 2019 I really appreciate for one myself, I appreciate all of Your sacrifices that you made to serve your country and for those that gave their lives for this country, I want to send out prayers to your surviving family members. Now let’s get on with this week’s episode. So Nikon roomers has received a new list of rumors on a purported Nikon d six high end pro sports body. The potential announcement for this camera will be in early 2020 and there are prototypes already being tested out in the field. Now one of the reasons for the delay in announcement of the d six has to do with the adding of sensor stabilization into this body.

Liam 01:54 Now another separate rumor that had been floating around was that the d six there’s going to be some sort of hybrid between DSLR and mirrorless, but we are hearing now that the d six will definitely not be a hybrid camera, but rather a DSLR with some mirrorless features such as better video and in body image stabilization. Another rumor is that this model will have dual CF express memory card slots a. Dot. Seven six two seven eight times 100% you find her a new Expedia dual processors, better improved AAF than the current d five it will also reportedly have built in Wifi a 3.2 million dot touch screen with full touch capabilities and excellent slash improved silent shooting modes. So this is definitely some interesting new information coming out of Nikon about the possible technologies and features that will be in the d six that Nikon is expected to release in early 2020.

Liam 03:06 I have a feeling they probably will release a d six a just as cannon is rumored to be preparing to release a one dx mark three and that’s because, uh, next year, of course, next summer is when the Olympics will be in Tokyo and Canon and Nikon are gonna want to make sure that they get their latest flagship bodies to market in time for all of those sports photographers to use them while they are covering the Olympic Games. Now of course all of this makes sense, especially given that the Olympic Games are covered by photographers from Getty and sports illustrated. I’m sure some other publications as well. And those shooters always like to have the most advanced, high-end pro sports body they can possibly get. So it’s not uncommon for all of the major shooters that’ll be at the Olympic Games to be the use of not Nikon d six or canon one DX mark three models.

Liam 04:03 And of course they’ll also be using all of the high end glass that they can possibly get their hands on. I’m always impressed when any of the Olympic Games come around. Uh, not that I watched the Olympics myself, I’m not that much into sports, but I always loved to see the photographs they get posted by like Getty, um, of all of the camera bodies and lenses they have lined up for the photographers to take to cover the games. And it’s just a massive array of camera bodies. And on the candidate side, especially all that El glass that’s white in color, you know, their, their high end prime, you know, 600 millimeter lenses, 400 millimeter primes, 300 millimeter primes, all that crazy stuff. And of course, you know, the equivalent Nikon lenses on their side as well. So we’ll have to wait and see what happens. But it does look like a Nikon is possibly planning to release the d six and early 2020 a which will, like I said, get it to market and time for the Olympic Games and it’ll be really cool if we do see some of these rumored specs and features in this new body.

Liam 05:07 Now I would love to hear from any of my listeners. So if you want to go ahead and leave a comment on this episode, either on the a Liam photography site or in the Facebook groups, probably better to do it in the Facebook group. Um, as a matter of fact, I’m not sure I might’ve turned on comments on the website. Uh, but you can go over to Facebook and, and do a search for Liam photography podcast and request to join the group. You only have to answer one question, which is the host name. And that’s myself. You can put Liam or Liam Douglas and I do that to keep down the spammers and bots and all of that good stuff, uh, so that we can have a better experience in the Facebook group. Now. The next topic I want to talk about when it comes to the latest Nikon rumors are rumors about Nikons, DSLR cameras, and particularly models that will not be getting a replacement with an upgraded model DSLR.

Liam 06:03 So some new rumors list of Nikon DSLR cameras that won’t be replaced, they will most likely eventually be replaced with mirrorless equivalent. A rumored list includes the Nikon d 3,500, the 5,600 and the d 500 and also there are rumors that these models will be getting in upgraded replacement. That would be the Nikon d 7,500 the d seven 50 the d eight 50 and of course the Nikon d five, which I mentioned in the first segment, uh, is rumored to be replaced next year with the new D six. We’ll have to wait and see if this actually pans out. These rumors are true. Now, I would not be surprised if Nikon is looking to pair down, you know, their DSLR, uh, product line just because you know, everybody’s transitioning into the world of mirrorless cameras. So it doesn’t really make a lot of sense for Nikon to spend a lot of money in these, uh, lower end consumer DSLR cameras.

Liam 07:09 You know, in other words coming out with a somewhat modified, you know, version every year or every couple of years, you know, going from the d 3,500 to a d 36 or 37, and Wu we added a couple of new features and another bell and whistle and woo got a new camera. Yeah. I mean it just doesn’t make sense for them to keep doing that. So I’m expecting to see them not pair down how many DSLR offerings they’re going to have as they’re making the transition to mirrorless. And I expect that more than likely 10 and we’ll be doing the same thing. There’s already been rumblings that a, they’re going to be killing off some of their, uh, DSLR, uh, lower end models, you know, the entry level models and mid-level models. And, uh, of course eventually replacing everything our most, all of their bodies with mirrorless offerings.

Liam 07:54 And we’ll have to wait and see how that fleshes out. But, uh, you know, ill often felt that it was kind of silly that both Canon and Nikon come out with quote unquote upgraded DSLRs every year, every two years. And they just basically, you know, put a couple of new features in and maybe it increased the resolution of the LCD on the back and Ooh, that’s a new camera, you know, and people would fall for it, you know, and they run out and buy it, you know, and when the camera they previously had is perfectly fine, if you already got a [inaudible] you don’t need to immediately run out and buy a t seven nine where on the other hand, if you’re a canon shooter and let’s say you still have a T2 I or a T3 I, those bodies are really old. So yeah, then it would make sense to upgrade to something like the t seven nine to, you know, get the latest technology, a better sensor, better processors.

Liam 08:42 And that will help with the equality of your photograph. So, and those cases, I would definitely say it’s a good idea to upgrade if it’s been a while. But again, you don’t need to play keeping up with the Joneses and worry about upgrading to the latest quote unquote update to your DSLR every year, every two years when Canon and Nikon release him, I always tell photographers and less your equipment is holding back or stifling your creativity. Unless you can not get the kind of photographs that you want to get or need to get. You don’t need to buy a new camera. You’re better off investing in quality glass, which is something that’ll last you for many, many, many more years than any body will. So spend that money in high quality glass that you can keep for decades and you can never possibly go wrong with that kind of investment.

Liam 09:33 And most any professional photographers will tell you the same thing. The glass is king. That’s where you really want to invest. Your money is in that high quality and Ella glass or the High Quality Nikon glass and uh, you just, you just can’t go wrong by investing in that part of the equipment and that part of the platform. And you don’t need to upgrade every year. So just because Canon has a 70 to 200 f 2.8 l mark three USM doesn’t mean I’m going to get rid of my mint condition mark to 70 to 202.8 absolutely not as the mark three and doesn’t have some improvements over the mark two. Yeah, it does. They always do, but it’s definitely not enough for me to get rid of my mark two and run out and buy a march three and you know, for full retail price, I’m not gaining that much. If I was using SAS 70 to 200 millimeter f four and I suddenly had you know, the kind of money where I could buy a 70 to 200 f two then yeah, maybe it would make sense to get the marks free. Although I’d probably jumped from the the [inaudible] model to the mark to 2.8 because that one’s come down in price as to mark three was released. You can get an even better deal. You know my mind, a new old stock of the mark two version of that Lens.

Liam 10:54 Now shifting gears a little bit. The next rumor I want to talk about is coming from the Canon website and that is that Canon is planning to release a new RF, 16 to 28 millimeter f two l USM Lens. Now as many of you are already aware of, when Canon announced the Eos are one of their first three lenses that they were releasing with the new RF mal was the 28 to 70 f two USM l lens and as supposed to be, I guess more or less kind of sort of a replacement for the 24 to 72.8 in the eff mount. Although there is, there are rumors that they’re also going to do a an RF 70 to two on our 24 to 70 f 2.8. So we’ll have to wait and see, um, if they are going to have those two lenses, kind of an, you know, a bit of an overlap in those focal lengths.

Liam 11:53 Um, I don’t know if they will or not, but there’s rumors that they’re going to, so we’ll have to wait and see. Um, but according to Canon just in the last couple of days, they were reporting that cannon was hard at work. On this next f to Zoom Lens, whether the suggestion that we’d see a quote unquote holy trinity ofF to l Zoom Lenses from Kennan. Now the next ft zoom lens of course as I mentioned a moment ago, is supposed to be to the 16 to 28 which will work nicely. If you already have the 28 to 70 then you’ll be covered from 16 all the way up to 70 with a perfect f two super wide aperture throughout those entire focal ranges. Now none of the f two lenses will have image stabilization, but that’s not really a reason to freak out as all of the future Ios our bodies are going to have in body image stabilization.

Liam 12:49 So it won’t really matter that these lenses don’t have the image stabilization cannons, ims technology built into them. You will still be able to get image stabilization, you know, down the road when you upgrade to a newer EOCR body that already includes ibis. Now, another thing that I tell people all the time is you don’t need to worry so much about image stabilization. I know people squawk all the time about, oh, this camera doesn’t have ibus. It’s not good. That’s a junk camera. If it doesn’t have IVUS, what the hell do you need ibis for anyways? I mean, to be honest, ivs only works with your shorter focal length lenses. It doesn’t work well on telephoto lenses. It’s pretty much useless on them. So what is the big deal? The one thing I always tell people if you want image stabilization or vibration reduction or whatever you want to call it, depending on who the manufacturer is, rather than worrying about the stabilization features, which of course make a lens much heavier and much more expensive.

Liam 13:50 You can, if your biggest concern is camera shake when you’re hand holding your camera, all you need to do is bump up your shutter speed to be the equivalent of your focal length. So in other words, if you’re shooting a 70 to 200 f 2.8 or f four you had the non image stabilized model of those lenses. And you’re shooting something at 200 millimeters, just make sure that your shutter speed is at at least 200 or higher. I would recommend going to like a shutter speed, a three 20 and that should pretty much eliminate any noticeable camera shaking your images from, you know, hand holding the camera as you’re shooting. So I know a lot of people like to have the image stabilization, whether it’s in the lens or in the body. I don’t really see it as a deal breaker myself. I can live with it or live without it.

Liam 14:41 I, you know, live without it for many, many years doing photography before image stabilization and sensor stabilization technologies even came about. So, and I always managed to get good photographs without those, those features. They are nice and you know, I’ll talk to over photographers once in awhile. They’re like, oh yeah, that image stabilization is the greatest thing in the world cause I’m getting older and my handshake even worse now than I’m older than they did when I was younger. So I, you know, I like having some sort of compensation for that kind of stuff. And I, and I can understand that especially, you know, if you’re, if you’re an older shooter, you know you’re getting up there and your sixties or seventies and your, your hands are nowhere as near as steady as they were when you’re in your 20s and 30s. That’s understandable. Then yeah, image stabilization in the lens or the body could be a big help, but for the most part your average person doesn’t absolutely need to have image stabilization, whether it’s in the lens or the body.

Liam 15:39 It is just a nice feature to have and that’s one of the reasons why Sony has it in all of their full frame here. Let’s bodies because they’ve been trying to pull as much of the consumer pie. They’ve been trying to yank as much of that pie away from Canon and Nikon as they possibly can. And for the most part it’s worked, uh, with them finally becoming the number one full frame camera seller in the world in the last year or so. But also, if you remember one of my earlier episodes I mentioned now the Canon and Nikon do have Meryl is full frame bodies. Sony’s piece of the Pie is starting to shrink in Japan, so we’ll have to wait and see if that translates to their pie shrinking in the worldwide market or especially in the United States and European markets. We’ll have to wait and see. You know, only time will tell on that, but I did want to share that cannon is planning to release a second f to Zoom Lens, which will be, you know, I’m sure a fantastic lens like the 28 to 70 is, but again, it’s going to be really expensive and it’s going to be heavy in, it’s an f two lens.

Liam 16:48 I would predict more than likely, if this lens does come to fruition, it’s probably going to be priced at around 26, $2,700 so yeah, it’s going to put a dent in your wallet unless you’ve got money to burn. All right. For this last segment, one of the items I wanted to cover in this week’s, uh, 4th of July episode is not, I don’t want photographers to let social media stifle your creativity when it comes to your photography. Now, a lot of times people don’t think a, you know, they don’t think in depth about social media and social media has pluses and minuses that, you know, it has pros and cons if you will. Uh, but I tell people all the time, don’t get discouraged by how your photos are perceived on social media. So let’s get into this. Um, so as most of you are aware of, there’s tons of social media sites these days.

Liam 17:48 You’ve got Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, and then you have some photography based, uh, social media sites as well, like 500 px and, and some others, a guru shots, which I personally, uh, I no longer post on there anymore just because their contest are a complete joke. Uh, you know, they put out a contest saying, oh, post these kinds of photos and then you get people that don’t even come close to following the theme of the contest and then they win the prize anyways. Like, okay, how do you win a prize for not following the guidelines of the contest? Uh, so yeah, I got away from them. I stopped posting any images on there for quite a long, quite a long time ago. I think it’s been over a year now. But anyways, let me, let me not get sidetracked too badly, but uh, but the point I’m trying to make is you can’t let the social media sites be the end all and be all of your life and your creativity as a photographer.

Liam 18:44 Now I know a lot of times photographers will get discouraged with the results they find on the sites, especially if they don’t receive a large amount of likes or shares or favorites each time they post an image. Now these responses are in no way an accurate gauge of how creative you are or your ability as a photographer. They are more of the results of social media popularity contests. And I’ve talked to and seen so many photographers become discouraged with these platforms because they don’t get the tons of likes or shares that they think and they think their work is not good enough or that no one likes their, their particular creative flare or style one. That’s not necessarily the truth. You know, to be honest, these social media sites, most all of them are nothing more than a popularity contest. I mean, I’ve seen this stupidest things on social media, get tons of likes and re shares and favorites and all that.

Liam 19:42 And I mean it’s just, it gets ridiculously absurd. I mean, it just gets totally out of control sometimes with the stupidest things that are popular on social media. So when it comes to your art and your work you had, you have to be the one true judge of your create creativity and always strive to try new things and think outside the box. I tell people all the time, that’s the best way to grow as a photographer. You can’t grow and enhance your skills and abilities of, of, of as a photographer. If you stay in one little tiny virtual box or you know, as far as what you do with your camera, you need to get outside your comfort zone. If you’re somebody that likes shooting landscapes, switch it up one weekend, go into town and shoot some street photography, especially if there’s a s you know, fair going on or something like that.

Liam 20:36 When there’s a lot of colors and a lot of creative things and rides and kids and families and all that cool stuff. Get outside, get outside of the box and outside of your comfort zone and take on some new Jaras of photography. Even if you’re just doing it for yourself. I mean, there’s absolutely nothing wrong with that. You don’t need to always be out shooting for clients. I mean, yeah, it’s great to have enough clients that you can make a good living with your photography, but you don’t want to only be working for clients all the time. You know, the only time you go out with your cameras when you’re working for clients, because then this is gonna feel more like a chore. You know less when the, when the job of being a photographer, quote unquote, starts dragging you down and you get into a rush and your creativity starts to erode and, and then you get depressed and you know, you’re doing the same old thing all the time.

Liam 21:28 That’s why I always recommend that photographers, you know, think outside the box, get out of your comfort zone, take a weekend, say and you know, and go out. And like I said, do street photography and challenge yourself. Use a prime lens, only go out and take a weekend instead of using your zoom lens or your telephoto Zoom Lens and you know, going to down where I live here, a outside Atlanta, going to downtown Atlanta with your 35 millimeter f Prime Lens. Put that bad boy on your camera body and just do some street photography. You know, just snap, regular, ordinary people going about their lives on the street and see what you can come up with. See what kind of fantastic images you can get from doing stuff like that. Now I can personally tell you from experience that I have photos that I posted on 500 px and even on Facebook that got pretty much no attention at all.

Liam 22:17 Hardly any likes or shares or comments or anything. But the same photo that I posted on and wish reshared out to Getty images market. That photograph, this one particular photograph is selling like hotcakes. Now the image I’m referring to, and I’ve mentioned it in one or two of my earlier episodes, I just simply tie a title Tybee Island Sunrise and it’s just an image that I shot in 2014 while I stood on the beach of Tybee island, Georgia as the sun came up over the Atlantic, uh, was, you know, I got out there nice and early, got my tripod set up and everything and made sure I was ready. And as the sun came up over the Atlantic, I snapped off a few shots and I got one that just turned out amazing straight out of the camera, no post-processing, no tweaking of colors or anything like that.

Liam 23:09 It was just beautiful right out of the camera. And the whole sky is a beautiful orange, yellow mix. And they even had the orange and yellow ish glow on the gentle waves. So the Atlantic Ocean as us rolling in towards the beach and that image is amazing. I put it on social media and everybody’s like, Eh, man, that’s not that good. But I put that same image on I am and submitted it to their marketplace, which gets a chaired out to Getty images marketplace. And I think I posted that image in the marketplace. I think it was an early or maybe mid 2015 and I shot the image in early 2014 and I can honestly tell you in the last four years I’ve sold over a thousand copies of that image on Getty images. It’s been super popular on there. Um, I guess in a way you could, you could consider it a stock image, you know, because it’s fairly simplistic.

Liam 24:07 And I’ll put a link to my blog post article on this subject. I’ll put that in the show notes and you can, you know, click on the, uh, the blog post and you’d go to the blog post. On the Liam website and you can see the image for yourself. Um, you can see the thumbnail version of the website and then if you just click on it, it’ll load up for you the full screen version that you can check out. And like I said, that’s a fantastic image. Nobody liked it on social media, but it’s sold like hotcakes on ILM and Getty images. So I’m really happy with that. Now the inverse of that of course is I have images that I posted this scored really high or have gotten lots of likes and shares. And, and then when I put those same images and I am, or Getty or 500 Vieques, I don’t sell a single copy.

Liam 24:57 And it’s not that they’re a bad image, a, you know, most of the time they’re really fantastic images, you know, tack, Sharp Focus, great composition, you know, very creative and visually pleasing to the eyes. And everybody on the buying sites are like man. And more than the likeliest just because there’s so many images on those sites. I mean, you take somebody like Getty images and I’m sure there are library images that are for sale is millions and millions of photographs, maybe even tens of millions, so you know you’re going to have it what it’s going to work one way or the other. You know, either it’s going to be super popular on social media, but it won’t sell. Or social media will say it sucks, but know you put it on on a site where you sell images and it’ll sell like hotcakes. So six in one hand and half dozen in the other, I guess is one way you could look at it.

Liam 25:47 But you know, basically the point I’m trying to make is don’t let these social media sites suck the life out of your photography. Don’t let it destroy your creativity. Don’t let it destroy your creative processes and trying new things. You’ve got to chalk it up to life experience and just keep going about your thing and doing what you like to do and also doing whatever your clients are paying you to do. Don’t concentrate on social media. It is great to have a social media presence as a photographer or a videographer, I understand that it can get you more exposure, it can get you more potential clients, but you cannot let social media suck the life out of your photography. You don’t want to do that. It’s going to destroy you and you’re going to get to the point where your photography, that was once a passion and wasn’t really like a job because you were doing something that you love to do and you get paid good money to do and now it’s become a job that you get up every morning and you dread having to go out and do that paid shoot or, or whatever the case may be.

Liam 26:59 You know, and it’s going to happen. You’ve got to stay away from getting stuck in a Rut. And I definitely, definitely take anything on social media with a grain of salt because they are great platforms to get your work out there, possibly get it seen by other potential clients or brands that might want to work with you, especially if they like your creative flair. But if you let these social media sites, basically, if he gets sucked into these social media sites to where it becomes more or less your world and your images aren’t popular enough on there, it’s going to suck the life out of your creativity and out of your work and then you’re going to hate doing photography. You’re going to want to quit and find something else to do, but don’t let that happen. Always remember that social media is just a virtual world.

Liam 27:56 It doesn’t mean anything. Even the most viral videos or photos on social media, their popularity dies off eventually. You know, there’s an old saying, everybody gets their 15 minutes of fame at one point or another. So I wouldn’t worry too much about that. Now the, I did create a personal photography Twitter account that’s separate from my personal mind and I’ve actually picked up quite a few professional photographers on there as followers, as well as a few celebrities, and some of them are even nice enough to talk to me on their via direct message on a, on a somewhat regular basis. I don’t hound them all the time, you know, I’ll drop them a note every now and then. You know, I’ll ask for their feedback on an image that I posted or, or just share the image with them and see what they think. And, and some of them will be kind enough to give you some honest feedback on your work that you post on that.

Liam 28:50 Now of course, some of your more famous photographers like Chase Jarvis and Zach res, they won’t give you the time of day. Um, most of the time they won’t even answer emails you send to them. Whether it’s because they’re so busy or you know, some people think that once they become famous, they’re better than everybody else. I don’t know if that’s the case with either one of these guys, but you know, I was really kind of disappointed because I reached out to Zach Arias a couple of times through his website, uh, because at that time I was living in Gwinnette county and that’s where his studio is. His studio, I think is in Duluth and I was in Loganville. So, you know, his studio is like 20 miles from my house and I wanted to come by and check out a studio and meet him and you know, chat a little bit with him and his studio manager, but they didn’t even have the common courtesy of replying to my emails or voicemails that I left.

Liam 29:38 So I said the heck with it. And I go about my thing and I do my own thing. And you know, I don’t worry about people like that. But now there are people out there that are fairly well known or famous, if you will, that will, you know, critique your work even though they’re really busy. I mean, I would recommend somebody like Jared Poland from fro nose, He’s a fantastic guy. He puts out some really, uh, funny, interesting and knowledgeable videos on his youtube channel and he’s really isn’t really down to Earth Guy. And, uh, he, oh, he does critiques on a regular basis on his youtube channel. You know, he’ll tell you that. Go to this link and upload your 10 best images and you know that you are, uh, share your 10 best images from your flicker account. You know, send it to me via this link on my website and maybe I’ll pick yours and do a critique of it on one of my, in one of my videos.

Liam 30:31 And he’s really cool about that. And I, you know, and you could also try Tony and Chelsea Northrup, they have a, they have a weekly thing where they will critique photographs that are submitted and he should, we, each time they do one of these episodes, it’s a different genre. So you know, one week it might be portrait and the pool thing is with Tony and Chelsea has, they’ll often have really famous photographers join them in those episodes, uh, to help critique your, your photographs. So, uh, you know, it could be a really famous, a portrait photographer or landscape photographer. And I actually, the first time I submitted one of my photographs to Tony and Chelsea, um, I think it was a, the subject was your best work or something like that. And I posted my Tybee Island Sunrise shot and they picked it and showed it on their, on their youtube channel.

Liam 31:20 And it was really cool. I thought that was really, really cool. But uh, you know, just some ideas. Now there’s also Josh Schmidt from Frodo to a photo tips He’s a really nice guy and Ken Rockwell from Ken Uh, he’s a really nice down to Earth Guy. I’ve emailed him numerous times, you know, about different casual things. You know, I try not to bug any of these people a whole lot. Sometimes I’ll just, you know, bounce ideas off ’em or you know, I’ll shoot him a quick note about, you know, a new camera or lens that’s coming out to get their take, you know, before they do any kind of official review or something like that, you know, and these folks are all people that had been kind enough to get back to me. Whether it’s by email or direct message on Twitter. Uh, and another photographer who has a really popular youtube channel, uh, and I consider her a friend of mine as well, is a leave from the snapchat,

Liam 32:17 Uh, she and her husband Raymond have a really popular photography youtube channel and they do a lot of cool content on there. And, uh, I’ve exchanged emails with her several times over the years and she’s a really nice lady as well. Uh, sometimes it takes a little while before she gets back to you because she’s so busy, you know, planning her next series of videos and, and the exclusive for her subscribed members, you know, that she has to do that stuff each week and you know, things like that. But she will get back to you. So don’t be shy. Uh, you can even a, I think sometimes she’ll even ask a members of her Facebook group to post images on there, um, and, and Showga, you know, give you a bit of a critique on the image or something like that. So that’s really cool. Plus she does also take questions from her viewers.

Liam 33:04 Then she’ll read your question, you know, on air if you will, and one of her youtube videos and give you her answer. So she is really cool about that as well. Now this next image that it’s going to be in the link in the show notes to this blog article that I did awhile back, um, I titled this one wall of Light and this one got tons of likes and shares and uh, my college, the art institute of Pittsburgh even use this image and some of their publications advertising their digital photography degree programs. But I’ve never managed to sell a single copy of this image and what it was. It was one of my, it was my very first attempt at nighttime long exposures and I drove up to between Georgia, which is a little town and middle of nowhere, um, halfway between Loganville and Monroe, which was where I was living at the time.

Liam 34:00 And I found this a BP gas station basically in the heart, quote unquote of downtown between where they have a blinking traffic light with a single light, a single, you know, it’s not one of the tier three red, yellow, green, just the single one. Uh, but anyways, I stood in the corner of this a BP gas station, you know, at about midnight and I set my camera up on tripod set. My, so would a hundred, you know, the aperture. I said, you know, so that everything would be in focus. I think I used f eight, something like that. And then I as vehicles were coming down the road from Monroe going towards Loganville. I just opened up my shutter and I left it open for about 30 seconds and I got this really cool. What I, like I said, I titled the Shop Wall of Light because that’s what it is.

Liam 34:49 I got not only got a bunch of cars that went by at the time, but I also had one or two tractor trailers that went by. So it basically is a fairly tall wall of light in this image going from red to green to orange and to white. And it is a really awesome image, just one of my favorite images that I’ve ever created and it’s super popular on social media, but never sold a single copy of it on any of the sites that I, you know, I can sell my photos on. So I, these things happen. Now. I’ve also done some personal email exchanges with guys like David Hobby and Scott Kelby and they’re, they’re really fantastic gentleman, very knowledgeable and um, but I try not to bother them too much cause I know they have a lot of irons in the fire all the time, so it’s a bit harder to catch up with them.

Liam 35:39 Um, so I, I don’t want to feel like bothering him, so I try not to hit them up very often. Once in a great while I’ll shoot an email to Scott, you know, about his worldwide photo walk, you know, that kind of stuff. But, uh, I don’t bother those guys, you know, to, to critique my photos or my portfolio or anything like that. But like I said, the point I’m trying to make is that you can’t let all of the social media sites drag you down and stifle or kill your creativity and make you second guess your abilities, your talents and your creativity as a photographer, art or artist take most of the response you get on social media with a grain of salt. And I mean, I don’t even let myself get overly excited when people gush over my work that’s posted on there.

Liam 36:24 But I do make sure that I always thank them for their comments and you know, that’s just the right thing to do. You know, being polite and I mean, you’re going to run into people that are absolutely snotty and nasty on social media and um, I’m sure most of my listeners are already aware of that. You know, they’ve been on some or all of these social media sites for some time now. So they know how people can get on the sites. Even in some of the photography groups, she gets some really, you know, snooty people, but you know, they’ve been shooting a long time. They think they’re better than better than everybody else. So they kind of look down their nose on anybody that hasn’t been shooting for 30, 40, 50 years like that. All right. So I’m going to go ahead and wrap up this week’s episode, episode 27 of the Liam photography podcast.

Liam 37:09 I want to, once again, uh, thank all of my listeners for subscribing, rating and reviewing the show and iTunes or anywhere else you might be listening to it, which also includes Spotify and stitcher. I’m still trying to get into Pandora, but nothing from them as of yet. Uh, I’ve tried a couple of times and still haven’t gotten anything back and haven’t been able to find my show on there. So I guess they don’t feel that my show is big enough yet to do a B blessed by the Pandora guides. But uh, we’ll see what happens. A, as the show grows and progresses, hopefully maybe at some point down the road they will add us to Pandora, which would be really cool. But we are on Spotify and I know a lot of my listeners use Spotify especially for their music and they like the fact that they can use Spotify for both their of favorite music and their favorite podcasts in a single lap.

Liam 38:02 So that’s definitely cool. Um, like I said, you can always access the show I post everything on there with, for each episode each week and it’ll also have the links to the material that I used in this episode, whether it’s from Nikon rumors, Canon rumors, a pet, a pixel, or any other possible sites. A where I find information that I talk about in my show. And again, don’t forget to stop by the Liam photography podcast group and request to join. Again, you only have to answer one question, the join the group. That’s who is the host of the show, which is myself, Liam. Or you can put Liam Douglas, either one works and that’ll get you into the group. And again, I do that to keep out the spammers and bots and all that boring stuff that annoys the daylights out of everybody. And you are welcome once you’re a member of the group to post your own original work, please don’t reshare or steal other people’s work and post it as yours in the group or you will be banned permanently, but you are welcome to share your own original photographic work in there.

Liam 39:14 Or if you’re another type of artists that sculpture or whatever the case may be, you know, you’re welcome to post your work in there as well. I asked that the members try to limit the number of photographs they post each 24 hour period to five. You can either spread them out, you know, post one every few hours of the day or you can do, uh, the entire batch of five in one shot. Let Facebook create that little slideshow thing for you and people can scroll through in that way. That’s totally cool. You know, I just don’t want people flooding the Facebook group, but too many images and you know, then I run the risk of missing a question that somebody asks in the group that may have something maybe they want me to discuss on a future episode of the show. Uh, so that’s why I, I, I put a little bit of a restriction on that.

Liam 39:58 Now you also have the ability to call the show. You can call and leave a voicemail or a text message if you would like have a question you’d like to answer it on a future episode. Or when I make announcements in the Facebook group about a particular subject that’s going to be coming up, like maybe a listener questions or subscriber questions, a, you know, I’ll think of some sort of mini segment we’ll do or maybe it’ll end up being a big thing. You know, if we can get a bunch of questions that various people have from the group, uh, about photography in general or whether it’s, you know, a composition lighting, uh, camera gear or recommendations on lenses or accessories, backpacks, all that stuff. Uh, but you can reach out using the number four, 702-NINE-FOUR-8191. And as I mentioned, you can go ahead and leave a voicemail on that line.

Liam 40:49 Uh, I won’t answer the line directly. Uh, but you’re welcome to leave a voicemail on there. If you have a question or a comment about an episode or a question, uh, about something photography related that maybe you need, you have a question you need to answered. W I’ll be sure to, uh, check those messages on a weekly basis. And uh, if I do get any good questions on there or requests for, uh, some help with a photography related subject, I’d be more than happy to include that in a, in an upcoming episode. Now I also want to remind my listeners that you absolutely want to tune in next Thursday, the 11th of July as professional model. Ellie cat is going to be on the show again, a, I know her first episode a that she was one of the first interviewees I did on the show and her episode has been super popular.

Liam 41:41 She’s a really nice lady. She’s a lot of fun to talk to. Uh, she’s been a professional model for quite a few years now, and she also works as a geologist, so she’s really smart too, and she’s just a really nice person. She’s a lot of fun to talk to. She said she really enjoyed, uh, being on the show the first time and she’s excited to come back on the show again. So you’ll definitely want to check that out. Next Thursday, I will be doing an episode 28 a another interview with my friend and professional model, Ellie cat. So you definitely do not want to miss episode 28. All right. I want to thank everybody for your time and I will see you next week in episode 28